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Ventilation help for Condo with Central Vent system in Bathroom

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#1 ·
Hello Folks,

I am a Condo owner in a high rise building in Chicago. My building has a centralized vent system in the bathrooms and Kitchen. So there is no vent fan in "my unit" and there are only the grills where the air is supposed to be sucked in continuously very slowly. This is really good as there is always fresh air circulating in the unit.

The kitchen vent is perfectly fine but the bathroom vent hardly works. The only time it works is when I open a window allowing a lot of air to come into my unit and creating enough pressure in the bathroom to make it (vent) work the way it is intended. It is very troubling to open windows (especially during winters) whenever someone needs to use the restroom.

I have called my building engineer and he said this is happening due to poor airflow obviously. I have a sliding door for the bathroom. So there is hardly space for air to go in.

I am having 2 primary issues:
- The odors just remain for a long long time as there is no proper ventilation.
- My roof is getting spoilt as the steam from the shower has nowhere to go quickly.

The solutions I came up with:
- Install a room to room exhaust fan. Where I pump air from the living room into the bathroom. This will force air into the bathroom and hopefully create pressure so that the exhaust works properly. I cannot do it the other way around as I would then get the bathroom odor into the living room.
- The second is to make an opening above the bathroom door and have a mesh (Charcoal maybe) installed. This will maybe increase air circulation.
- Install an exhaust fan somehow to the existing vent. But, the building rules do not permit this sadly. I can still do it without telling them.

I would love to hear your opinion and possible solutions. I would also love to be connected to a HVAC pro who could work on this project in Downtown Chicago.

Thanks,
Sai
 
#5 ·
Yes. There is a good chance of that. But as I mentioned in the post, the door I have is a "Pocket Door" and I cannot do anything with it.

At the same time, I noticed that even if I open the door completely the vent still does not work as intended. It is only when I open the window and leave the door slightly/completely open does it work.
 
#6 ·
Per my building rules. I should not obstruct the vent per the codes. Anything else is fair game. When I pitched the room to room exhaust. They said that should work nicely but they are not experts in that field.

The area that I wanted to modify (make a small opening with mesh or "room to room" exhaust) is the drywall separating the bathroom and the hall. This wall (according to the building) is something I can do as I please.
 
#7 ·
Apologies if I gave the impression that I was trying to do something by myself. I am not. I wanted an expert opinion on this issue to understand my options so I could hire the correct Pro. Few companies that I have spoken to in Chicago were clueless about how to help me.
 
#13 ·
Sounds like your venting to your bathroom may be blocked. It sounds like even when you have the window and door open, your vent is still not working, your odors are just being blown around and eliminated through dilution with fresh air. Your building engineer needs to check the airflow by using an anemometer.
 
#17 ·
The maintenance man probably ID' the problem but doesn't know how to fix it or want to fix it. Building maintenance can be very good or non-existent or somewhere in between.
I have addressed this problem before and the fix usually requires to start at the exhaust fan. Things like the intake screens having debris restricting, filters, fan belts worn and slipping, the pulleys worn, duct problems, anything preventing the fan to deliver.
This is all assuming the fan once worked as designed.
 
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#18 ·
If you were to hire a Test and Balance Company, or a Mechanical Contractor with a dedicated T&B department, for a few bucks you can have them perform an Airflow Survey. You will immediately know what your issues are without all the speculation that you're inviting into this equation.

Your solution might be something very simple, or something much more complicated and expensive. A professional will possess the knowledge, the tools, and the contacts to solve your problems with the least amount of headache and expense as possible.
 
#19 ·
you probably have a bare minimum 50 cfm fan according to building codes..they dont last very long and barely anyone cleans them. there should also be a damper door leaving the housing and they can also get stuck as well as the one on the outside ...if you take 1 piece of TP to it does it hold on the grille or just make noise? i leave the power off to it, use a flashight and vacuum with brush and clean it out at bare minimum since you are there. you can inspect the exhaust opening also.. after finishing it, leave it run and see if the outside damper is open or stuck closed...

if you see lots of lint, that is the one most likely from your clothes dryer and the wrong one..

newer buildings get 80cfm as minimum code...some internal replacements without the housing go to 110cfm...

in my personal home i upgraded all (3 50 cfm ones) to (1) 110 cfm and (2) to 150 cfm because the room size indicated thats what was needed... i did not have to change my exhaust vent piping size, all of them also have energy star rated motors, LED lights and automatic humidity sensors....no more problems with peeling paint on a ceiling...

a professional can install a new one for you that is the correct size....lots of qualified guys here that can do it for you or suggest others they know
 
#24 ·
There's a lot more possibilities to consider, but here are a few things a professional would check.

It's a poor design that never worked properly from initial installation. The system was never balanced. Someone has fiddled with, or modified the original exhaust system installation, or has added or modified equipment or structure that would have an effect on building pressurization.

The exhaust fan is dirty. The fan is not sealed properly to the roof curb. The fan drive belt is slipping. The fan is running backwards. The ductwork is not sealed properly. Somewhere in the system the ductwork has separated, or if they used internally insulated duct, failed insulation is clogging the duct. A balancing, or diverting damper has come loose.

If the ductwork does penetrate firewalls, there should be either motorized dampers, or fusible link shutters. It's possible a fire damper is closed.

You need access to the entire system, a few tools, like a flowhood, maybe a rotating vane, a mag to do a static profile, and if available, a set of drawings. Otherwise you are guessing. You might stumble on a solution, you may not. Somebody said there should be 40 or 50, or 80 cfm of exhaust moving through a bathroom exhaust......... Really? How do we know this? Did you do the engineering work necessary to come up with those numbers, or are you guessing? Believe it or not, to do this work properly, there's more to this than speculation.

Do you know that generally, when you specify exhaust flows in commercial restrooms, that the women's restroom has more exhaust cfm than the men's? Do you know why?

This is why I keep trying to tell you to hire a professional.
 
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