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Advice on Mitsubishi P-Series vs M-Series heat pump for residential application

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I am reviewing 2 contractor bids for installing a ducted Mitsubishi heat pump systems for our home and trying to understand the differences between 2 completely different sets of equipment that have been specced out by each contractor.

Our home is roughly 4000 sqft and both contractors have divided the house into 2 separate system areas, each with it's own outdoor unit and corresponding indoor unit/s. One contractor has quoted us on a system using the Mitsubishi P-series equipment (PUZ-HA42NKA & PUZ-HA36NHA4 with PVA Air Handlers) while the other is planning to use the MXZ Hyper Heat Outdoor Units (MXZ-8C48NAHZ and MXZ-3C24NAHZ) coupled with 5 indoor units in the SEZ series.

My basic understanding is that the M-series is for residential application and the P-series for commercial or larger residential applications. Given that our home is 4,000 sqft with a combined load of 81,000 BTUs for both sides of the house (numbers from engineer calcs) using the P-series seems like it makes sense, but if the M-series is sized accurately is there an advantage to one system over the other?

Originally we were looking at putting in ductless units, but both contractors agree that ducting the system through our crawl space would cut installation costs significantly and require us to get less individual units for each room. Do we lose significant efficiency in terms of operating costs if the system is ducted rather than ductless? Both contractors are including the cost of installing all necessary duct work under the home and plan on using some of the homes existing vents from the abandoned oil furnace system.

The quotes are not too far off from one another (and both are much higher than anticipated), but we've been told these systems will be incredibly efficient to run and give us relatively low utility bills. Given that we also need a heating and cooling solution for our home, we like that these units get both jobs done and save us from having us to install two separate traditional heating and cooling systems. The M-series quote comes in a bit higher, but also from a more experienced and Mitsubishi certified contractor.

Any advice or information on the advantages of the P-series over the M-series equipment or vice versa? Our home is located in a high desert climate, with hot dry summers where cooling is nice, but our bigger priority is efficient heating, since we have much more cold than hot throughout the year. Average coldest temp for the year is 5 degrees F.

Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! Thank you!
 
#2 ·
The HyperHeat system will give its full output down to 5*.

Without going into the manuals, and also seeing your estimate, I'm not sure why the other one quoted the P series.

Why don't you ask them?
 
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#4 ·
The contractor said that due to the size of house and heating/cooling loads that the commercial system would have enough power for our system, where the M-series would take a lot more components (and costs) to meet the load. Contractor #1, with the M-series, just increased the bid, so it's likely we will go with the P-series, unless there is any reason not too? Any suggestions?
 
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p series are more suited for applications that are outside the normal Heating and cooling norm such as computer server rooms and extreme temperature applications. they have added components that allow them to withstand these variables. they are generally more expensive. I would question why the quotes are similar..... all being equal I would take the p series but either the p series was sold on the cheap or the m series was priced on the higher end......

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Thanks for the input kangaroogod. The M-series quote actually just increased even more (they had left out a whole section of the house in the original bid) so the P-series quote is coming in cheaper to the tune of $9K now, so we will be going with that or a different system entirely. Anything we should be aware of before pulling the trigger given our home does not have the demands of a commercial load? Is it less efficient or will the bills be much higher because of this?

Honestly, I thought both bids were rather high, but I'm a hvac noobie, so I'm in over my head in general. I'm slightly worried as the P-series contractor seems to have less experience than the other, but my general sense is that the equipment is really good and will still operate efficiently even if slightly oversized (which it is). And he guarantees his install for a year, so we can work out any kinks at the get go if there are any. The Mitsubishi guarantee is much longer so I feel good there too, even though he is not a Mitsubishi certified contractor.

Just hoping to get some heat in this house for the winter! Thanks for your help.
 
#6 ·
it would be a plus if the contractor was a mitsubishi "diamond dealer" as it shows he had had at least some training and experience with the product. it will also extend the manufacturers warranty. I would also request 3 references from the installer and CALL THEM! ask how things went and if there were any issues or concerns. if they are reluctant to provide the references then it should trigger a red flag. maybe I am spoiled (as I work for a large cobtractor) but I would also call the company at midnight, leave a simple message or talk to the person and see what kind if response you get. this is also a sign of how the company operates. my $.02

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#7 ·
I think you should look around at other manufactures, Fujitsu, or Gree have the same features at a substantial

savings.

and I have installed a couple dozen Mitsubishi's. I won't be installing anymore after I found out how much can be saved by going to another manufacturer
 
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