Not a lot of wetheads on here. Might ask on http://www.heatinghelp.com and see what they think.

 

used more in commercial applications --

 

The Knight is gaining popularity where I live, mainly due to the fact that it is a lower cost alternative to the Viessmann Vitoden. Though I have yet to put in a Knight, so I can give very little opinion on it, suffice to say it does have a stainless steel heat exchanger as compared to the Weil McLain Ultra which is aluminized. It has a decent warranty backing it up. And would probably be a good choice, depending on what you are planning on doing, as far as radiant, baseboard, air handlers.

If price were no object, first choice would be the Veissmann Vitoden. It is a excellent unit with years of operation in Europe behind it. Easy to program & use.

 

Over at the wall, that won't be a top end system, but nothing wrong with it either. Really, there is no "bad" mod/con boilers, each has its pros and cons. What really counts is the pump,pipe and boiler sizing and installation. Then comes availability of service and parts.

 

Arrogant Guy Likes L/Knight



I have read a bit on the mod/con boilers. Like Rich P says, most of them perform well, expecially when heating the home. I've heard that showers are OK too but if you have to fill your bath tub with hot water to sooth your aches and pains, forget it, you're out of luck. Most simply don't have the "water volume" to do it. That said, I'm interested in the Trinity Ti150C.

 

I love Viessman......always will.

But I don't see why he laughed at Buderus ?!

 

I know nothing about boilers, we only see forced air heat around here. But I do know this. I wouldnt deal with a arrogant guy like that. He might not be doing any obvious brand bashing but he is doing it in his own roundabout way. Theres just too many knowledgeable companies with good people out there that you can deal with than have a arrogant guy like that. If something goes wrong with these kinda peoples installs, they are a pain to deal with because they'll insist its nothing they did to cause this. Anyway, thats my 2 cents. LOL

 

Knight Boilers

Two of us put 34 in last heating season at Scott AFB..no problems yet.

 

I've had my eye on the Night. Just haven't sold one yet.

 

I have done a few. I thought they were OK. I installed a POOLPAK and an AAON heater in a locker room. That was pretty cool.

Find a guy you like, tell that guy "sorry"........... You can call all the equipment manufactures yourself first. They will design and set spec for you. The engineers love that stuff, then you put the project out to bid.

 

I installed one earlier in the year. Not a whole lot of run time on it yet, but so far so good. I am using this boiler in place of the munchkin line now. I like the munchkins, but the knight is a better product for a similar price, in my opinion. And as others have said, the vitodens is an awesome boiler too, but much more $$$$. Also, nothing wrong with buderous that I see.

 

You gotta remmeber

that most contractors like to work with one or 2 brands so they're familiar
with the install. If you're so hung up a specific brand you're gonna have to poll many contractors. You have a budget and you're looking for specific
features. Go with the contractor that you feel knows his stuff.

 

Never used the prestige. Check out the vitodens 100.

 

You sure the Knight hasn't had any press on this site? I've praised it a number of times here. My first choice for mod/con - Knight. My second choice - Knight. I've put in a number of Munchies & Trinities and they're fine. I have no experience with Viessman. I hear the Viessman just can't be beat, and that's nice, but they're not available around here. Oh, yeah, my first choice for a mod/con actually is ANY of them properly installed. The first I installed was a Trinity and the manuf. rep wanted to see our install since it was the first for us. First words out of his mouth - "Never seen one installed by the book by a first timer until now. How about I do a combustion analysis on it and show you how to adjust air/fuel for optimim efficiency?" I said, "Go ahead, but I need to learn how to use our new Combustion Analyzer sometime."

Final thoughts- choose the dealer you are comfortable with because his firm will be the one to service it later on.

 

We've installed the Kinght boiler and like it. We've also installed and serviced LAARS, HeatMaker, Endurance, Weil McLain, Burnham, Smith and our service experience on gas and oil goes back to units manufactured in the 1930's. Oil boilers with tankless coils were the first 'combi' units and when serviced by under educated personnel, they were problematic but when serviced by knowledable techs, the performed well. Parts for ALL of the new boilers and furnaces are becoming a nightmare for the service population and consequently the customer. Like some other HVAC equipment, the Lochinvar Knight boiler requires that the tech know the proper access code to properly set up the boiler. Likewise the controls on many of the Viessmann boilers. All of this is a two pronged approach by the manufacturers to keep the homeowners from screwing up the equipment and likewise to keep less knowledgable service techs from doing the same. Secondarily, in order to learn the codes, techs must be trained on the equipment and once trained and familiar with the product, they're more apt to promote it.

The first words out of an untrained techs mouth when he runs into a peice of the equipment he doesn't know how to service are "This is a piece of junk." Once trained and with a little experience, it's amazing how fast his opinion of the product improves. So anyone trashing another brand likely more than likely expresing his/her own lack of knowledge and consequent feeling of inadequacy at servicing the equipment. That speaks volumes about why he's trashing the competition.