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Thread: Hvac repair quote for failed compressor which grew into replacement of entire system

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Yeah, not likely going to get that original CCH out.
    That area looks iffy with all the rust, very last photo of a close up of the CCH from my ole eyes anyway,…the rust ( to the slight left and right of the CCH hole ) looks somewhat deep. Thinking the compressor cover holds that moisture not to mention all the wet lint for a longer time than not having a cover and a somewhat cleaned area? But then again it is a Bristol compressor, from what I remembered they tended to be a bit noisy…

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    That filth in the unit needs to be addressed, too!!
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    Reminds me of those Trane pumkin compressors, those old CCH's rarely want to be removed.


    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    It's only ceramic and epoxy in a steel well guess what I would do ?
    Of course a belly band would work just as well.
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    They are trying to royally screw you!

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    Probably not intentional, just blatant ignorance.


    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    They are trying to royally screw you!
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Probably not intentional, just blatant ignorance.
    Still inexcusable!

    Someone in the office should have picked that up.
    Replace compressor because of chewed wires? No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Reminds me of those Trane pumkin compressors, those old CCH's rarely want to be removed.
    Yep those Climatuff compressors had that steel sleeve with the steel heater. Almost impossible to get out after you first fought that silly retainer clip.

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    Well, for what it is worth, the original poster just got a whole boat load of info. The next decision is very simple. Have the original company send out their senior tech at no charge, or call someone else.
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    Thank you to everyone who has responded. really glad I posted.

    So the wired black cylindrical unit contains a compressor that is sitting in the crank case heater and only the CCH has had the wires chewed off? I'm wondering if the Infinity surveillance sensed the CCH lost power and shut down the compressor. From what I understand, which is admittedly not much, the unit has a computer processor and is constantly communicating with the air handler and controller/thermostat. Does anyone know if that is possibly what is going on?

    Is it possible that all I need is a new CCH?

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    It looks like the CC heater is the only thing chewed on. Those wires could be shorted causing fuses or breaker to trip. That in itself is not a reason to replace the compressor or the unit. Further diagnostics are required.
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    My guess is that the Infinity control doesn't have a clue what the crank case heater is doing, but that's only a guess.

    Crank case heater may have been that way for any amount of time. There are any number of reasons your compressor is not working. Which is why you need a senior tech who actually knows how to use a meter and troubleshoot a system.


    Quote Originally Posted by npkr View Post
    Thank you to everyone who has responded. really glad I posted.

    So the wired black cylindrical unit contains a compressor that is sitting in the crank case heater and only the CCH has had the wires chewed off? I'm wondering if the Infinity surveillance sensed the CCH lost power and shut down the compressor. From what I understand, which is admittedly not much, the unit has a computer processor and is constantly communicating with the air handler and controller/thermostat. Does anyone know if that is possibly what is going on?

    Is it possible that all I need is a new CCH?
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Yeah, not likely going to get that original CCH out.
    I would just replace it with a belly band heater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    That is a crank case heater to keep the oil warm.
    And from refrigerant migration.
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    Refrigerant migrates to cold. With warm oil . . . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    And from refrigerant migration.
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Refrigerant migrates to cold. With warm oil . . . . .
    Is this a question or answer? This is just what I was taught back in the 70's at a Carrier school here in Houston.
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    More of a confirmation, just said a bit differently.

    It's pretty common knowledge, unless you're a rookie.

    If all temps are the same, the refrigerant will migrate to the oil. We want the refrigerant to migrate. We want the refrigerant to migrate out of the oil, LOL.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    Is this a question or answer? This is just what I was taught back in the 70's at a Carrier school here in Houston.
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I'm feelin' a little peculiar.

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    Yeah 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other guys 👍🏻

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    What came first the chicken or the egg

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    If the CCH shorted out, and blew fuses, it would show a data comm fault to the condenser.


    Addressing issues one at a time:

    1. You need another tech to diagnose what’s actually bad. Your evidence/explanation shows no need to replace a compressor.

    2. Replacing that compressor is a bad idea. It’s a bristol, and has known issues.

    3. Replacing just a condenser may seem appealing, and is fine. Unless you get a leak in an evap coil next year. Whatever, your call.

    4. Data comm/compatibility:
    BS. You can put almost any condenser on a communicating airhandler. What you can’t do, is use a non communicating air handler with a communicating thermostat.

    Where it can get tricky, is trying to use a green speed condenser, with an old air handler, and will NOT work with a legacy communicating thermostat.
    Legacy is the tall thin white one.

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    hvacvegas-

    "Replacing that compressor is a bad idea. It’s a bristol, and has known issues."

    If the compressor is the problem, why is it a bad idea to replace it? Or are you saying that the Bristol compressor has a poor track record and you wouldn't replace it with that one?

    Thanks

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