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    Recovered freon contractor says can't use

    Evaporator coil leaking and needs to be replaced. Contractor wants to charge me for full charge of freon, says the recovered freon can't be reused. Is this true?



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    That is not true. However on 410A systems refrigerant is cheap enough that many of us prefer to replace it because the cleanliness of our recovery tanks is suspect.

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    If the filter drier is outside the condenser he could pump it down and contain it in the condenser. When the coil and drier is replaced and a vacuum it is then released back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fliks View Post
    If the filter drier is outside the condenser he could pump it down and contain it in the condenser. When the coil and drier is replaced and a vacuum it is then released back.
    If OP doesn't have a micro channel outdoor coil.

    OP, yes the refrigerant can be reused, but in residential it's not preferred because we can't guarantee the refrigerant doesn't get contaminated running through a recovery machine or is already contaminated from installation or service. It's usually cheap insurance to just replace the refrigerant if the system can't be pumped down.
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    Is this your old hvac guy, or the home warranty company?

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    Damn good question!

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    I think home warranty would say go for it !
    Thanks for saving us money 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    I think home warranty would say go for it !
    Thanks for saving us money
    I don't know of any home warranties that will pay for refrigerant so technicians that work for home warranty companies often try to sell refrigerant as much as possible because they make more money that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R600a View Post
    I don't know of any home warranties that will pay for refrigerant so technicians that work for home warranty companies often try to sell refrigerant as much as possible because they make more money that way.

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    Are you saying they sell it to the homeowner on the side ?
    As in sorry that's not covered ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    Are you saying they sell it to the homeowner on the side ?
    As in sorry that's not covered ?
    Yes. The warranty company says we do not cover refrigerant so the tech comes out and says oh you're 3-year-old unit needs 12 lb of r22. And I'm not joking I've seen that happen. The folks called my boss as a second opinion and my boss found that the tech had unplugged the compressor and then told the folks that it needed 12 lb of r22 when it only held 5 pounds of r410a.
    The actual problem was just a defective defrost board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R600a View Post
    Yes. The warranty company says we do not cover refrigerant so the tech comes out and says oh you're 3-year-old unit needs 12 lb of r22. And I'm not joking I've seen that happen. The folks called my boss as a second opinion and my boss found that the tech had unplugged the compressor and then told the folks that it needed 12 lb of r22 when it only held 5 pounds of r410a.
    The actual problem was just a defective defrost board.

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    We've come behind contractors many times with similar situations. It's sad how often people are taken advantage of.
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    30+ years, I refuse to reuse refrigerant in a system with leaks.
    You will not clean the moisture and acid from that refrigerant with one pass through a filter drier.
    How much time are you willing to invest in trying to clean contaminated refrigerant?
    That labor & material cost is not offset virgin refrigerant cost.
    Then, you can rest assured that (if the system has a TXV) that TXV is going to take a crap real soon and/or your compressor will.
    Customers too conveniently can't remember any warnings you may have given them (even if documented) prior to making decisions of repair.
    It`s better to be silent and thought the fool; than speak and remove all doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    Are you saying they sell it to the homeowner on the side ?
    As in sorry that's not covered ?
    It's not on the side.
    It's an additional expense, not covered by the home warranty.
    Additional, non covered expenses are paid directly to the contractor, by the home owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacvegas View Post
    It's not on the side.
    It's an additional expense, not covered by the home warranty.
    Additional, non covered expenses are paid directly to the contractor, by the home owner.
    In spite of what I feared home warranty company has been good. Of course I'm paying for the majorityof the R22 as warranty covers only 10/lb. Looking up specs for the unit as they said I need almost 7 pounds of it. I can buy 10 pounds for a third of what they want to charge me. I don't mind paying a fair price but don't want to have the HVAC company padding the bill.

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    Wait are you saying your warranty company will pay for 10lbs ?
    That's not what's been stated here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrips07 View Post
    In spite of what I feared home warranty company has been good. Of course I'm paying for the majorityof the R22 as warranty covers only 10/lb. Looking up specs for the unit as they said I need almost 7 pounds of it. I can buy 10 pounds for a third of what they want to charge me. I don't mind paying a fair price but don't want to have the HVAC company padding the bill.

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    If the warranty coverage 10 lb and you only need seven why are you having to pay for some? I am confused.

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    Clear as mud 😜

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    Quote Originally Posted by R600a View Post
    If the warranty coverage 10 lb and you only need seven why are you having to pay for some? I am confused.

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    They will cover 10/lb of freon used. Contractor wants me to pay three times out of pocket for what I can pay for it. I can either buy a five pound or ten pound container and the Contractor says I need seven pounds.

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    Here's where it's confusing.
    If you need 7 lbs. per the contractor.
    Home warranty covers 10 lbs.
    How does that make you pay anything out of pocket ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    Here's where it's confusing.
    If you need 7 lbs. per the contractor.
    Home warranty covers 10 lbs.
    How does that make you pay anything out of pocket ?
    They cover 10.00 per pound, not 10 pounds

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