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Thread: Upflow Condenser Deflector - Market Size Estimate Request

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    Although the 'under a deck' installations for this item's intended use would certainly tend to make the esthetics, even for women, less of a concern in general - I just used the 90ş round ell example as an illustration of point in regard to availability and cost.

    More typically I would spend even less and just fabricate a simple 'ramp' deflector with two triangular sides - and bend it all from a single piece of sheet metal.

    Oddly; in my experience the operation / performance of the AC system isn't the consumer complaint - it is that the deck area above the condensing unit is too warm. (Which idea also ties to my last paragraph in regard to how customer make decisions. <g>)

    I am sure that the patent is theoretically and legally defensible - but that wasn't my point. Other than publicly advertised duplicates being marketed - which would be hard enough to monitor - how would you even know that someone like myself, or my dastardly cohorts here (many of whom are actual tinknockers who could fabricate an condenser air defector hood while sleeping), was 'stealing' your concept?

    The HOA mandates would make the closing rates of your sales efforts greater because of the captive-audience factor but among typical homeowners the sales closing rate would be much lower. Highly educated technically people such as yourself can easily grasp the obvious need and benefits - but ma & pa kettle homeowner? My experience would not support that conclusion.

    I'm not trying to be disparaging or discouraging - you asked for my opinions and I've stated them. I wish you the very best of luck with all your future endeavors.


    [QUOTE=Mark21104;26022601]Poodle Head,
    Thanks for the information. Your comment of limited applicability is the observation I have been getting from calling local HVAC contractors. But in my development, 8% townhomes could use this invention. Happens when decks are installed later. There are 93 million homes in the US, so you don't need much applicability for a market. I estimated 16,000 homes for a market. I assumed 1/2% acceptance of applicable homes.

    My development will not allow relocation of the condenser. That would interfere with the development's grass cutting service.

    Thank you for sharing the pics. The patent is defensible against them. The US patent office examiner and I were careful about this when framing the claims. The patent is for upflow condenser/package units only, it deflects in one direction, and the deflectors are not enclosed. And I assigned this patent to my LLC to liability protection.

    My HVAC mechanic said that the woman of a house wouldn't tolerate the ugliness of a big ell on a unit. Yes it would be functional, something only a man could love.

    If you feel any differently after what I wrote, let me know. In any event, thank you for your research and communication.

    Mark Ramsay

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    Outdoor Heat Exchanger Deflector

    Poodle Head,
    The expert way you write, there's no way you're a poodle head!

    Yes I agree that any tin knocker could duplicate this. But these one-offs can't penetrate whatever market exists. And I haven't seen any attempts at deflection around my development. I have seen new townhomes putting condensers on the exterior wall about 15 ft elevation from grade, and even on decks. So builders are starting to realize the problem. Perhaps with this device they can go back to pad on grade and save the structural cost to reinforce an exterior wall for a hanging unit.

    A trap door 45 degree deflector is already patented; can you believe it? The purpose of that patent is to keep snow out. A deflector like that as you know would put more back pressure on the fan than curved deflectors.

    Interesting that you mention deck heat as a motivation to buy. I was thinking that people who spent top dollar for high SEER units would want to get their value for their money. But selling a hot deck solution is a good idea. The name I was going to give to my device is "GreenAir." as long as that is not trademarked.

    Someone else sent me some pics of similar devices. One solves the problem of mounting - by using magnets. Most cowls I've seen are steel. If I designed the thing using a number of small curved deflectors in a frame, like a duct turning vane set, it could be shipped in a flat box and set on top by a homeowner. If fact, a stock turning vane finished with powder coating may work fine. Then have a cable that attaches to the condenser grating to keep it from flying away in a strong windstorm.

    My public library offers a business search engine. I found a handful of HVAC companies that may be interested in purchasing a license for the patent. I will write to them several times and see if any fish bite. That should cost just my time and postage.

    Thank you for this dialog. Yes I agree I should not invest more money in it until a market develops. The patent cost $850; that may be the most expensive wall hanging I will have in my house.

    Take care,
    Mark Ramsay

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