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    Electrify Everything

    Who hear is seeing the value / shift to electrification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhoush View Post
    Who hear is seeing the value / shift to electrification?
    If you mean to get off fossil fuels and move to heat pumps, I am all in.

    I can see the future where 50% or more of electricity is being produced by renewable sources.

    Right now some states have mandates to produce a certain amount of electric from renewable sources.

    I think in California all new houses have to have solar. This should cut down on the green house gases produced.
    Can someone please explain to me -
    Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it twice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by joemach View Post
    If you mean to get off fossil fuels and move to heat pumps, I am all in.

    I can see the future where 50% or more of electricity is being produced by renewable sources.

    Right now some states have mandates to produce a certain amount of electric from renewable sources.

    I think in California all new houses have to have solar. This should cut down on the green house gases produced.
    I wonder if coal is really worse than the chemicals that are used to produce many of these green technologies. I will probably never know for sure.

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    What’s wrong with natural gas? Especially in our area?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jbhenergy View Post
    What’s wrong with natural gas? Especially in our area?


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    Nothing wrong per se, but may be a less stable asset as renewables get cheaper. There’s also difficulty finding low output models for tight homes, although some manufacturers are starting to make some low output models.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mhoush View Post
    Nothing wrong per se, but may be a less stable asset as renewables get cheaper. There’s also difficulty finding low output models for tight homes, although some manufacturers are starting to make some low output models.


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    I agree with the output problem. I have never seen a heater that ran for any length of time to maintain temp during our coldest weather.

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    The greenhouse gases produced to make these renewable energy sources are crazy.

    Im all for renewable energy if it makes sense.

    Wind still needs oil to work
    Solar panels are dirty
    Lithium is dirty
    Oil doesn't hurt the ozone
    NG is pretty clean and there is plenty of it


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    Quote Originally Posted by gravity View Post
    NG is pretty clean and there is plenty of it


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    That is until Biden shuts it down.
    Can someone please explain to me -
    Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it twice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mhoush View Post
    Nothing wrong per se, but may be a less stable asset as renewables get cheaper. There’s also difficulty finding low output models for tight homes, although some manufacturers are starting to make some low output models.


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    Trane I know has a 26k (or something close) and icp has a 26k.

    I believe they only have those in single stage thus far and not variable capacity. Those still are 40k.


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    The problem I have had with renewable energy is you can push technology but you can't force it. Some day the world will have to have vast quantities of renewable energy and we should work in that direction. The dishonest media tries to make it look like we have to have it all now and that isn't true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WAYNE3298 View Post
    The problem I have had with renewable energy is you can push technology but you can't force it. Some day the world will have to have vast quantities of renewable energy and we should work in that direction. The dishonest media tries to make it look like we have to have it all now and that isn't true.
    Follow the money....... just that simple. You need an example, look at California. Sad.

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    History repeating it self again. All Electric..........until there's not enough infrastructure then rates go up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravity View Post
    The greenhouse gases produced to make these renewable is crazy
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    Yea, but they are made in China and doesn’t affect global warming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemach View Post
    If you mean to get off fossil fuels and move to heat pumps, I am all in.

    I can see the future where 50% or more of electricity is being produced by renewable sources.

    Right now some states have mandates to produce a certain amount of electric from renewable sources.

    I think in California all new houses have to have solar. This should cut down on the green house gases produced.
    Unfortunately, many people are not willing to invest their own money, and you can't always expect help from the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R600a View Post
    I wonder if coal is really worse than the chemicals that are used to produce many of these green technologies. I will probably never know for sure.

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    The problems have been off-shored, it's called "externalities". We're poisoning kids we don't know who are glad to have the work.

    Also called, "The Tragedy of the Commons."

    The people who study this stuff tell me there is no solution, not for another 100,000 years.

    The challenge for each of us is not to be one of the "externalities". Behave like there is a target painted on your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasLeak View Post
    The problems have been off-shored, it's called "externalities". We're poisoning kids we don't know who are glad to have the work.

    Also called, "The Tragedy of the Commons."

    The people who study this stuff tell me there is no solution, not for another 100,000 years.

    The challenge for each of us is not to be one of the "externalities". Behave like there is a target painted on your back.
    It is a sad reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    History repeating it self again. All Electric..........until there's not enough infrastructure then rates go up!
    Exactly! I am sure the electrical companies will let it slide until it becomes an “emergency” then the government jumps in with funding to assist the needs and that would give the government the opportunity to impose a tax on it to recoup costs. A tax that will never get removed.
    Quickly, I must hurry, for there go my people and I am their leader!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    Exactly! I am sure the electrical companies will let it slide until it becomes an “emergency” then the government jumps in with funding to assist the needs and that would give the government the opportunity to impose a tax on it to recoup costs. A tax that will never get removed.
    Yes, it's not a very attractive prospect...

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    Electrify everything? Sure, I'm all in, but not until the technology is ready.

    Presently, it is not ready. Anyone who pays attention to the subject, and has half a brain on his shoulders knows it's not ready.

    And for sure, without getting into all the nitty gritty, windmills and solar panels are not the answer. Period.

    Hence, my earlier statement in this thread about follow the money. Don't allow yourself to get sucked in. And if you already are sucked in, seek education.

    There's some serious money and influence behind all of this never ending green energy push, but you've got to realize it's not for the good of anything except the already rich and powerful.

    By the way, heat pumps are not the end all of technology either. They have some serious drawbacks in the wrong environment. Not to mention service life, as well as other issues.

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    Couldn't agree more @pecmsg !!

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