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    Cost of a combustion analysis

    What are y’all charging for a combustion analysis?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mazak View Post
    What are y’all charging for a combustion analysis?


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    Well that depends if I'm doing a DTE with time in paperwork and added bs it's 145.00 if I'm using it to diagnose a problem it gets rolled into whatever repair I'm doing and honestly in that case I don't really itemize it any more than I do my screwdriver


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    Do you use it on a typical maintenance? If so, do you charge extra for it?


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    We don't really discuss prices here because it can cause problems.

    But there is no way I would do that for free during a PM. PMs are already priced low enough as it is. Analyzers are expensive and you've got to make money with your tools.

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    Build it into any service call that will require it. And build it into your PM.
    Anytime you do anything that affects combustion, you better do a combustion analysis. To prove how you left the system. And to tune the appliance for maximum performance and safety. If you were the last one to touch it, and something bad happens, you want to show you were the professional.
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    I would recommend to have a separate and higher price tag than a maintenance or service call. Although depending on the situation I would be prepared just to do a pm and include it depending. I would talk to the customer or have a good trained dispatcher ready to do so. You may be handling a CO monitor going off that would entail checking numerous pieces of equipment possibly. Multiple units, water heater stove etc which could become quite time consuming. Or you could just be following up on another company which has its ups and downs from a business standpoint. I can see points that everyone has posted as being valid to a point.
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    Appreciate the input!!


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    How much do you charge for using your multimeter.
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    You make money by using it. I would be upset with myself if a customer I had maintenanced and serviced and did not use it.
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    Had a court case once where a home owner died 3 days after a contractor lit his pilot. The contractor offered the home owner a combustion test for an extra fee. He said the home owner said no he doesn't want to spend any extra and would like a bid on a new furnace. A salesman came out the next day to size up the job. Two days later he came back with his bid and the home owner was dead from CO poisoning. The lawsuit was for 3 million dollars. Never did hear if there was also a criminal case and if the tech went to jail.

    Forgot to add: What is the cost of not taking a combustion test??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Davis View Post
    Had a court case once where a home owner died 3 days after a contractor lit his pilot. The contractor offered the home owner a combustion test for an extra fee. He said the home owner said no he doesn't want to spend any extra and would like a bid on a new furnace. A salesman came out the next day to size up the job. Two days later he came back with his bid and the home owner was dead from CO poisoning. The lawsuit was for 3 million dollars. Never did hear if there was also a criminal case and if the tech went to jail.

    Forgot to add: What is the cost of not taking a combustion test??
    Idk this a slippery slope that raises a lot of questions. I would love to read the court documents pertaining to the case and how it turned out.

    I have lots of other comments and thoughts just not the time to put them on paper until later tonight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jbhenergy View Post
    Idk this a slippery slope that raises a lot of questions. I would love to read the court documents pertaining to the case and how it turned out.

    I have lots of other comments and thoughts just not the time to put them on paper until later tonight.


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    If you have ever seen court documents on cases like these, they are a 1000 pages. And for the record, I was working for the lawyer of the contractor. It was not the only death case I have been involved where I was trying to help the contractor and minimize the damages and at least prevent criminal charges.
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    Anytime I service a unit i use my Testo 300. As a service technician I am responsible for the safe operation of the system. I can't assure safe operation without combustion analysis. Gotta make sure that the system isn't producing high CO. Theres no way of doing this without using the proper tools.
    It only takes a few minutes, why charge extra to do the job correctly?

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    Totally agree with many commenters here. There is no extra charge for using the combustion analyzer, it’s just part of the job. Raise your regular rates if you need the money to buy and maintain the proper tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Davis View Post
    If you have ever seen court documents on cases like these, they are a 1000 pages. And for the record, I was working for the lawyer of the contractor. It was not the only death case I have been involved where I was trying to help the contractor and minimize the damages and at least prevent criminal charges.
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    It's just the cost of doing business I don't make the customer pay anything for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazak View Post
    What are y’all charging for a combustion analysis?


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    So how long does it take to do?

    Start there, in your area of the country, are your competitors doing a CA every time?
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    It take about ten minutes to test a furnace with a combustion analyzer correctly. You find out if its venting properly, if there is enough combustion air, if the burners are aligned properly, if the burner are clean and oh yeah, is it making to much CO! If there is a water heater next to it, another 5 - 10 minutes to see if it is safe and even if it is scaled up.
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    How do you know what the readings are supposed to be? Does the analyzer give you ranges or sound alarms when the numbers arent right?

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    As you test more equipment you will see what normal readings are supposed to be. Most important thing is to make sure that the unit is not producing high CO! 50+ PPM on ignition is not unusual, but most equipment should run clean after combustion stabilizes. Also always make sure that forced air equipment doesn't show a rise in O2% after the fan comes on.
    Some manufacturers state what O2% or CO2% they want during operation in the installation instructions.
    There's no excuse for not doing a proper combustion analysis during commissioning and servicing of fuel burning systems. The customer is paying you to assure safe, reliable and efficient operation of the system. Safety cannot be determined without combustion analysis!

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