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Goodman Heat Pump Condenser Fan Motor Part Number (i think tech is ripping me off)
Hi All! I had a tech come out today due to a fault being thrown by my Goodman 2-stage heat pump (split system). Code was for outdoor coil temp sensor. Tech indicated that condensor fan was not running at full capability when system was in high mode causing the condenser coil to over heat. Suggested solution was to replace the ECM motor for the fan which came with a cost of $. This seemed rather expensive given a quick google search showed the cost of a 1/3 hp ECM motor to be about $ and most youtube videos of techs replacing these motors only took about 20 minutes. I would have thought a fair price would have been in the $ - $ range.
With that background my plan is to purchase and replace the motor myself but I'm having trouble finding the correct motor. I have the part number off my existing motor (Genteq 142R 5SME39HS HE177) but my unit is about 10 years old so I can't find an exact match. I find many very similar motor but in some capacity or another the specs of the motor a slightly different than mine. Can anyone help me understand the most critical specs that need to match? for example I'll find a new motor with less HP (e.g. 1/5 hp), higher RPM (850/1100), and the same full load amps or I'll find a motor with the same hp but both higher RPM (850/1100) and FLA (3.0).
My other thought was to figure out the fan motor used in the modern day equivalent of my unit (which as far as I can tell hasn't really changed but just been renumbered) which is the Goodman GSZC180481 but I cannot for the life of me find a parts catalog or anything that definitively tells me the model number of the condenser fan used in that newer model.
Any help/insight would be appreciated.
Below are the specs off the existings part:
1/3 HP ECM
v 208/230
RPM 680/750
HZ 60/50
FLA 1.9 / 2.8
single phase
CW rotation
Last edited by beenthere; 08-05-2020 at 06:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by
k10
Hi All! I had a tech come out today due to a fault being thrown by my Goodman 2-stage heat pump (split system). Code was for outdoor coil temp sensor. Tech indicated that condensor fan was not running at full capability when system was in high mode causing the condenser coil to over heat. Suggested solution was to replace the ECM motor for the fan which came with a cost of $. This seemed rather expensive given a quick google search showed the cost of a 1/3 hp ECM motor to be about $ and most youtube videos of techs replacing these motors only took about 20 minutes. I would have thought a fair price would have been in the $ - $ range.
With that background my plan is to purchase and replace the motor myself but I'm having trouble finding the correct motor. I have the part number off my existing motor (Genteq 142R 5SME39HS HE177) but my unit is about 10 years old so I can't find an exact match. I find many very similar motor but in some capacity or another the specs of the motor a slightly different than mine. Can anyone help me understand the most critical specs that need to match? for example I'll find a new motor with less HP (e.g. 1/5 hp), higher RPM (850/1100), and the same full load amps or I'll find a motor with the same hp but both higher RPM (850/1100) and FLA (3.0).
My other thought was to figure out the fan motor used in the modern day equivalent of my unit (which as far as I can tell hasn't really changed but just been renumbered) which is the Goodman GSZC180481 but I cannot for the life of me find a parts catalog or anything that definitively tells me the model number of the condenser fan used in that newer model.
Any help/insight would be appreciated.
Below are the specs off the existings part:
1/3 HP ECM
v 208/230
RPM 680/750
HZ 60/50
FLA 1.9 / 2.8
single phase
CW rotation
You're not going to get much help here on this issue, I'm afraid.
The pricing has already been removed from the thread, per the rules, but does it perhaps occur to you that part of the cost you were quoted to replace this motor is for the technician's ability to properly diagnose and source a replacement motor that works properly, plus cover the trip to and back from the supply house as well as a return trip to you?
Not to mention he probably gives you a warranty on the motor.
Anyways; Good luck with your endeavor.
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You did read the site rules before asking this question, right?
Not going to go too deep into pricing, but you’re not just paying for the man’s time (which a lot of people seem to think we’re peons that earn $15/hr), you’re also paying for his benefits, the backend costs like the people who answered the phone, the dispatching software, the shop, the tech’s manager and owner, and enough profit to weather the slow times in the off season. Doesn’t matter if it takes a simple turn of a wrench or he uses a $2000 combustion analyzer, if the time is equal, the costs are the same. Don’t hire people to do work for you, don’t buy expensive equipment to service, or better yet, don’t be a homeowner if that’s too much for you.
Good luck.
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If your going to do it yourself, then stand on it son.
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Do It
Lots of Boob Tube Help available and the best is you get what you pay for C H E A P!
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Wait ! Someone told me good is not cheap and cheap is not good. 🤔
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Hey all, thanks for the replies. I didn't realize when I initially posted that this forum isn't really geared toward DIYers. Given the moderators took the pricing out of my post I think what's being lost is the extent to which the tech was gouging me as I'm willing to pay for quality service. To hopefully provide some context without posting prices, his quote was for about half the cost of a brand new unit to replace the fan. I since got in touch with another HVAC company who quoted my about 1/3 of the initial tech's quote. However, when this other tech came out this morning to actually inspect the system he ended up just replacing the coil temp sensor which resolved the error code.
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Originally Posted by
CircusEnvy
You did read the site rules before asking this question, right?
Sorry CircusEnvy, I did not I assumed when joining the rules just said something along the lines of don't be a dick. I'm getting myself up to speed now though. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by
k10
I since got in touch with another HVAC company who quoted my about 1/3 of the initial tech's quote. However, when this other tech came out this morning to actually inspect the system he ended up just replacing the coil temp sensor which resolved the error code.
That’s not what you posted over on the DIY site.
Are you ordering parts chasing the issue or is the problem fixed?
Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna jump straight to replacing the fan motor. I ordered a new outdoor coil temp sensor for about $. I had a tech tell me these sensors often go bad and given how inexpensive they are it's a good place to start. I also was able to find a service manual from Goodman and for the error code that's being displayed that is the suggested fix. I'll post if that fixes the issue or not.
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Based on suggestion from the second tech which also correlates with Goodman's service guide, replacing the coil sensor is the recommended low cost first step. The error code is gone but until the unit is running under full load during heat of the day and with sufficient ambient humidity it's not known for sure if it will not come back. If error does return, quote to replace the ECM is still 1/3 the first quote but now that I've invested myself in learning about this stuff, If I can find the equivalent part, I'm inclined to embrace the challenge of replacing it myself. Second tech got a pretty healthy diagnostic fee to come out and run some checks on the system so I'm not just wasting his time, if I do use him to do any other work he'll apply that toward the cost of the repair.
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Originally Posted by
k10
Based on suggestion from the second tech which also correlates with Goodman's service guide, replacing the coil sensor is the recommended low cost first step. The error code is gone but until the unit is running under full load during heat of the day and with sufficient ambient humidity it's not known for sure if it will not come back. If error does return, quote to replace the ECM is still 1/3 the first quote but now that I've invested myself in learning about this stuff, If I can find the equivalent part, I'm inclined to embrace the challenge of replacing it myself. Second tech got a pretty healthy diagnostic fee to come out and run some checks on the system so I'm not just wasting his time, if I do use him to do any other work he'll apply that toward the cost of the repair.
So what your saying is were ripping off the public!
Do you have any clue the amount of training required continually
Tools
Trucks
Office personal
Warranty calls
sick days
That burger you had for lunch probably cost 1/4 of what you paid ***** about that!
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Based on a suggestion I received from another forum, I was able to find the exact ECM motor my unit needs by just searching my heat pump model number and "parts diagram" which led me to an explosion diagram which contained part numbers (0131M00129) for each component. Cost of the ECM motor if I do need to replace it is less than 1/5 the original quote I received. But hopefully swapping out the coil temp sensor is all I needed which cost me like 1/50 the original quote.
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Originally Posted by
k10
Based on a suggestion I received from another forum, I was able to find the exact ECM motor my unit needs by just searching my heat pump model number and "parts diagram" which led me to an explosion diagram which contained part numbers (0131M00129) for each component. Cost of the ECM motor if I do need to replace it is less than 1/5 the original quote I received. But hopefully swapping out the coil temp sensor is all I needed which cost me like 1/50 the original quote.
Hope it comes Pre Programmed!
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Not at all or at least not generally. But I do think some people are out there trying to take advantage. You can't say everyone is ethical and I might have just been dealing with that one guy out there. I think he look at a house with a higher end system and saw maybe what they thought was an expensive car in the driveway and said I think I can up charge this this guy for a bigger commission. I don't think that's all or even most professionals but to me it felt like that was what was happening here as a 1 hour service should should not be 5+ times the cost of the part and then further confirmed by another HVAC company saying they charge substantially less for the exact same repair. I may still have the second tech actually do the work as I feel his price was very reasonable (about 2x cost of the part). I'm open to being wrong here and I do appreciate all your perspectives, running a business includes the cost of a lot of different things that I think consumers over look. I'm a corporate accountant so I get SG&A.
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Originally Posted by
pecmsg
Hope it comes Pre Programmed!
Actually per the product page, it specifically mentions that it does come programmed! Thanks for pointing that out
https://goodmanrepairparts.com/conde...hp-programmed/
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Some companies are horribly mismanaged, have no training, and tell their technicians to just get out there and sell.
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You do realize no job takes an hour right?
How long does it take to get to the supply house then wait in line then drive back?
Okay so the lady in the office orders it, what about her time?
What about the 2 million in liability insurance I carry?
What about my workers comp premium?
I can go on for days. You know a bar buys a bottle of beer for .65$ but sell them for up to 5$. Yet people line up to buy them?
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Originally Posted by
jbhenergy
You do realize no job takes an hour right?
How long does it take to get to the supply house then wait in line then drive back?
Okay so the lady in the office orders it, what about her time?
What about the 2 million in liability insurance I carry?
What about my workers comp premium?
I can go on for days. You know a bar buys a bottle of beer for .65$ but sell them for up to 5$. Yet people line up to buy them?
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So to confirm, you contend that charging multiple thousands of dollars to replace a simple heat pump condenser fan motor is appropriate and something you would do as part of your own business practice? And even though a second HVAC company with all those same expenses quoted 1/3 the price to replace that's not evidence that maybe I was dealing with a bad apple trying to make a quick buck?
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This type consumer approach is the very reason diagnostic charges will forever be "higher than you think they should". Too many consumers are ignorant of haw much effort is involved in a proper diagnostic and that "overhead" is involved in all pricing. Eventually diagnostic charges will be well into 3 digits "because u-tube warriors only see "it only takes xxx amount of time & it only cost $$$. Fast, Good, Cheap, you can only choose 2.
It`s better to be silent and thought the fool; than speak and remove all doubt.
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Originally Posted by
k10
So to confirm, you contend that charging multiple thousands of dollars to replace a simple heat pump condenser fan motor is appropriate and something you would do as part of your own business practice? And even though a second HVAC company with all those same expenses quoted 1/3 the price to replace that's not evidence that maybe I was dealing with a bad apple trying to make a quick buck?
I’m a one man shop that works out of my garage. What my cost are to stay in business is not the same as the guy down the street that has 50 trucks on the road and 15 people in the office. His advertising budget is more than I gross a year. So his rates are higher than mine. He knows that I know that and everyone in town knows that.
So to compare me to him in terms of price is not fair. Because he charges more for the same service does not mean he is ripping people off. His cost of doing business is higher than mine so he must charge more to stay in business.
I’m not arguing or agreeing with who or what anyone charges. But for someone to come out say someone is ripping them off without knowing all the variables is simply wrong.
Just got my oil changed for half what the dealer charges. Does that mean the dealer is ripping me off? No? Their costs are different is all. I’m not running around on ford talk dot com complaining the dealer tried to rip me off.
I just get aggravated when people try and say they are getting ripped off when there may be more to the story then what is presented on the surface.
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