Add Open Residential Refrigeratioin?
Add Open Residential Applicances?
Add Pro Residential Refrigeration?
Add Pro Residential Appliances?
Leave things the way they are.
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Nothing wrong with it, ide help you to best of my ability if i felt i could be of help. Just saying we need new talent on that field.Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech
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It may very well be...
That in this new world of dog-eat dog...
Us HVAC/R pro's can stick together and help each other...
Rather than let each other be taken by someone else (what goes around, comes around...)
Besides... who knows... we may well get a new PRO member, who used to be an appliance guy... and knows lots and is willing to share it...
Never know... until one steps out and asks...
Grin
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Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!
GA's basic rules of home heating and AC upgrades:
*Installation is more important than the brand of equipment
*The duct system keeps the house comfortable; the equipment only heats and cools (and dehumidifies)
*The value of comfort, over the long term; leave economic choices behind!
Choose your contractor wisely!
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With respect to resi appliance. They change appreance & features and parts go obsolete so fast, that if it's more than 4-5 years old you can't get parts to fix them. Many times the repair approaches the cost of a new replacement.
There is a place in our business for repairing resi appliances but it get's expensive fast. Just as an example, I did have one customer that had a problem with the refrigerator. He said fix it no matter the cost. I said do you want to put a limit on it, I did throw out some $$ numbers. He said no you don't understand. When we bought this is was matching to the dishwasher, stove, microwave and trash compactor. Even if the repair cost is more than a new fridge you will still save me money. The finish (Brushed Stainless) is obsolete and we have looked there are no replacements that match. My wife said repair that one or we are buying everything new so they match. Repair ended up being about 80% of new comparable unit.
Similar would apply to special or custom built ins. But a "plain jane" 18-24 cuft refer with ice maker that cost less than a grand most times its just not economical to repair. I have repaired some stoves and dishwashers the control boards if you can find a replacement cost more than 1/2 the cost of a new one
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How about a Pro forum on Refrigerants and or EPA regulations. There are lot of changes coming up required by our "friendly" EPA and different manufactures are planning on using different refrigerants and more complex controls to meet the new requirements on different types of AC units.
The cost of refrigerants and equipment will also be going up big time accordingly. This all will be going down Jan 1, 2023. Thank you very much
https://www.achrnews.com/articles/14...ent-for-r-410a
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GA likes this idea...
Carrier said they are going R454B... however if I remember... Trane may go a different route...
It is quite possible a resi guy may need to carry 3-4-5 flavors in their van... just to service what is out there.
Be good to know... and have a place to go research!
GA-HVAC-Tech
Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!
GA's basic rules of home heating and AC upgrades:
*Installation is more important than the brand of equipment
*The duct system keeps the house comfortable; the equipment only heats and cools (and dehumidifies)
*The value of comfort, over the long term; leave economic choices behind!
Choose your contractor wisely!
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I vote yes on this one. Think I heard some new regulations went in the first of this year, but I do not have a clue what they are. Maybe something about record-keeping, I think?
I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.
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Well, zippity doo dah, that was FAST !!
I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.
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If I can figure out how to get it uploaded I have the final ruling document the EPA pulished in late 2017 for 608 and 609, all 403 pages of it. it's a real page turner, I use for nights I have trouble going to sleep
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Right now, I just have this one question:
https://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread...9#post25704249
I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.
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THX Dad...
IMO both of those forums are gonna be helpful to us PRO's...
One of them for our profession...
The other to help us with our personal stuff...
Both are important!
THX again!
GA
GA-HVAC-Tech
Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!
GA's basic rules of home heating and AC upgrades:
*Installation is more important than the brand of equipment
*The duct system keeps the house comfortable; the equipment only heats and cools (and dehumidifies)
*The value of comfort, over the long term; leave economic choices behind!
Choose your contractor wisely!
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I'm looking as of right now the new addition is for equipment that has been forn 5 and 50 pounds machines, If you dispose of it you (tech, Comapny tech works for or owner) must record the type of unit, the location of the unit and how much refrigerant was removed.
What I'm looking for is the verification of leak checks, This is broken down into 3 catigories Industrial process (>500 pounds) allowed 30% leakage per year. Commercial (50 to 500 pounds) allowed 20% leakage per year. Residential allowed 10% leakage per year. The thought is after evry maintenance repair you must do a leak tightness verification check. Those of us who a pressure drop test and vauum rise test we are doing the leak check. But the idea is if you any refrigerant that amount has leaked out. In the proposed rule if you exceeded the annual allowance or 75% of the total charge in must be docuemnted and reported to the EPA. I'm trying to see if the >75% reporting requirement stayed in the final rule
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A forum was created for these types of posts now.
I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.
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It was recommeended in the proposed chages that and annual leak evaulation needs to done on Commercial and Industrial equipment. I was trying to see if that got left in the final rule as well
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I saw that just happen about 1 hour ago
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Speaking of adding forums. I think we need a b*tch and moan forum. I designated place to cry our woes lol
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Guys
Since the new forums have been built I'm going to close this thread.
Thanks for voting and the discussion.
Happy Easter
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