A trane is a trane and your too expensive.

[gfezz]

Was that nat gas or LP?

Natural gas here, Kansas City area. Oderant can vary in type and
concentration I assume. The MSDS on methly mercaptan lists warnings
of certain metals including copper.

The line in my house may have been 20yrs old, and the flake in the
7ft line could have filled a 1" cap.

I've only seen soft copper on branches to water heaters and stoves
using flare fittings around here.

Are the copper mains you mention at least brazed? Surprising how regions
would be so different. Interested to see what you find...

[hivacer]

In the midwest brazed type l copper is normal in homes. I find it odd that so many here are so surprised at its use. Sizing charts and codes for copper gas line are in the national fuel gas code. Pro-Press has come out with copper fitting for use with gas lines. I have seen way more copper that black iron, and am starting to see more csst.

[Amechanical]

I haven't seen copper pipe used for gas supply, before...
very clean PVC vent connections, do you use primer on the joints

[crzshn]

Are the copper mains you mention at least brazed? Surprising how regions
would be so different. Interested to see what you find...

Yes there brazed. Funny our regions aren't too different. St. Louis here.

I haven't seen copper pipe used for gas supply, before...
very clean PVC vent connections, do you use primer on the joints

It's everywhere. Yes I just do not use that purple crap.

[cororumrex]

I like that you left the xr14 label on the outdoor unit. I am guessing he was told he was getting the xr14? and got the xb instead?

[crzshn]

I like that you left the xr14 label on the outdoor unit. I am guessing he was told he was getting the xr14? and got the xb instead?

Ha! Yea he paid a lot of money for that tag I thought he might wanna keep it.

[weathertron]

Oh, those pictures made my day.

[weathertron]

Oh, those pictures made my day.

[HeatXfer]

Copper nat gas lines used to be illegal in Calif. The Mechanical code says it's OK, plumbing code says no.

Go figure

[gruntly]

Since copper was always legal for propane, they've allowed its use for natural gas here for about 20 years now, but it has to be certified for gas use... Brazed ACR is a no-no. I still don't like copper on gas.

When you go on price alone, that's how you end up feeling... all alone.

[rkedz]

Nice re - installation. Yea that copper gas line scares me. I probably would have put the furnace up on 2" patio blocks to keep off the damp floor but still a great job.

[gruntly]

Nice restall



Just out of curiosity, in the picture of "Old Sloppy Lineset", there's a pile of extension cord wrapped up between the floor joists, laying on top the water pipes, that looks like it may be an eddy meltdown fire hazard in the works depending on what they do with it. Did that get removed or was it still there when you left?

[bell3156]

did trane pay to have the installed right?

[motoguy128]

He cut the top of the tag off because it would have designated that unit as being an XB series condensing unit rather than the XR series that the plastic plate claims.

The original contractor installed the XB instead of the XR that he billed the HO for and is covering his A$$.

He screwed the customer of even more money, and also 5 years of compressor and outdoor coil warranty.

Nice, if that engineer was as savy as he thought he was... he would have checked model numbers that were installed and refused payment. But based on my experience with enrineers at my work and how they manage projects... this doesn't suprise me one bit. They assume because it say one thing on a PO or a set of drawings... that this is what they get installed.

[boone]

Never seen that before. Would not be proud of after photos.

[crzshn]

Never seen that before. Would not be proud of after photos.

Nice 1st post ! Didn't your mom teach you if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. LOL I really could care less!

Copper gas line is normal around here has been will be. Should I suggest re piping every house I work on?

Why is copper listed on your gas sizing chart?

[dmy-hvac]

i live in upsatate ny and have never ran across any natural gas copper lines.have seen a few soft copper propane lines.i guess if it is allowed by code whats so wrong with it especially if you braze the joints?other than not looking normal cause im not use to it what is so bad about it??is it that much better than b.i.?

[mayguy]

Copper gas line has been used here for many years, matter of fact, in my neighborhood, we have copper from the ground to the meter... Most of the house was built in the mid. to late 60's.

[gruntly]

Copper gas line has been used here for many years, matter of fact, in my neighborhood, we have copper from the ground to the meter... Most of the house was built in the mid. to late 60's.

Outdoor copper pinch-off loops prior to the meter have been mandatory here since they took the meters out of the basements. Copper lines after the meter have been legal for about 15 or 20 years. I'm not a fan. LP use with copper has always been legal because of the internal valve safety shut-offs. I don't think NG meters have the same safeties.

A friends cottage burned down to the ground some years ago, lines and all, leaving the 400lb LP tank 75% full after the fire because of the safeties.

[cannedheat]

after 44 yrs time to invest in a pipe machine now thats lame. rest of the job looks tight.