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Originally Posted by
dorff
It rarely looks good but what about just angling the exhaust away from the window? Or maybe it was when it was inspected.
Yeah, there are many good ways to fix this, some that would have a better appearance than others. I was not there to repair or involved in it in any way. I just happened to drive by and notice what should clearly be a code violation that has gone unresolved since it was installed. The original installers should have known just as well as I did that this was not a good solution to their venting the equipment. They could have done the same thing just leaving the riser shorter and been fine. I guess the point is sometimes it seems like this industry is so cavalier about potential dangers to our customers. I'm sure the installers didn't think twice about the possibility of fumes to be drawn into the house through that window. If you look close at the photo you will see fumes going past that window. The vent is north of the window, north is the predominate direction our wind is out of here in the winter. I don't know just common sense says it's a bad idea.
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Had one just like. Did some work had the inspector come out, then asked about it. The inspector called the inspector who approved it. The approving inspector said go look inside there was no where else to run it. He was right no place to put it to fully comply with all manufactures requirement and city code. The city wrote a variance for it and recorded it under the property records. Basically said the window will never be open during the heating season and let it go
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Since we have to conform to ASHRAE 62.1 opening a window is no longer an acceptable option, so it looks good to me. LOL
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It's not to code here either, but unless Cletus and his brood open the window I doubt it's a real hazard either.
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Originally Posted by
dougfamous
It's not to code here either, but unless Cletus and his brood open the window I doubt it's a real hazard either.
I don't know, looking at that window if the wind is over 30 out of the right direction I bet those open blinds move.
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Originally Posted by
kls-ccc
How did they even consider this safe?
What's not safe about it? I realize it doesn't meet code, but seriously, what kind of safety issue could possibly arise from it. Do you think someone might accidentally open the window and hang their head around the corner and suck on the exhaust pipe or something?
Even if the window was open and the wind was blowing just right, there is no way that I can see of this causing any sort of safety issues. The exhaust would be so diluted by the point it makes it into the house that it wouldn't matter.
Now quit ragging on my installs and go find something else to worry about.
(Just kidding about that last part) 
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Originally Posted by
ammoniadog
What's not safe about it? I realize it doesn't meet code, but seriously, what kind of safety issue could possibly arise from it. Do you think someone might accidentally open the window and hang their head around the corner and suck on the exhaust pipe or something?
Even if the window was open and the wind was blowing just right, there is no way that I can see of this causing any sort of safety issues. The exhaust would be so diluted by the point it makes it into the house that it wouldn't matter.
This is kind of the way I feel about negative pressure heat exchangers in contemporary furnaces passing combustion products to very positive blower compartments thru a small crack. But man, we sure sell a lot of systems that way now don't we?
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Originally Posted by
hurtinhvac
This is kind of the way I feel about negative pressure heat exchangers in contemporary furnaces passing combustion products to very positive blower compartments thru a small crack. But man, we sure sell a lot of systems that way now don't we?
There is an amazingly super long thread here on that exact topic.
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Originally Posted by
VTP99
There is an amazingly super long thread here on that exact topic.
Got it handy? I'm always up for a heat exchanger thread 
Is the Religious Right to blame for Christianity's decline?
They argued that, as the Religious Right became increasingly visible and militant, it became associated with Christianity itself. And if being a Christian meant being associated with the likes of Jerry Falwell, many people—especially political moderates and liberals—decided to simply stop identifying as Christians altogether.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...nitys-decline/
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I'm the worst at thread searching. Someone like slctech could probably find it within a heartbeat thou. Maybe someone will chime in with it. That thread really ruffled some feathers here for sure.
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Yep...probably only a few zillion to wade through. Hell I probably posted on it
Is the Religious Right to blame for Christianity's decline?
They argued that, as the Religious Right became increasingly visible and militant, it became associated with Christianity itself. And if being a Christian meant being associated with the likes of Jerry Falwell, many people—especially political moderates and liberals—decided to simply stop identifying as Christians altogether.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...nitys-decline/
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I'm still trying to figure how that phenomena works. As in, gas in a negative pressure space escaping into a positive pressure space. 
Now rollout would be a different issue.
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Wouldn't you know it?
An hour after I posted...Low voltage fuse had blown for undetermined reason. Probably dancing in and out on limit for God only knows how long. Connections at limit looked black and corroded. Stuck my hand in the blower wheel and immediately knew what I had to do...and what I'd likely find.
So it's cold here, her house had gotten down to 47* and it's going to get even colder tonight. So I cleaned it all up for airflow's sake, replaced the fuse and let it cook while I stalled talking to her and putting stuff away, paper work etc. My standard speech: This is why I'm doing what I'm doing, here are three things I'm going to do to disable it, I have no authority to make you not use your own furnace, it just won't be running when I leave. If you choose to ignore my directive you simply reverse my actions. This is purely CYA on my part and you will sign to this effect.
Sales...oh excuse me "Comfort Specialist" {gag} will be along on Monday.
I am literally peer pressure/bullied by the industry and AHJ's into adopting this course of action.
I found these two threads...looks like JP was doing some soul searching a few years back.
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....thinking/page2
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....stion+analysis
Is the Religious Right to blame for Christianity's decline?
They argued that, as the Religious Right became increasingly visible and militant, it became associated with Christianity itself. And if being a Christian meant being associated with the likes of Jerry Falwell, many people—especially political moderates and liberals—decided to simply stop identifying as Christians altogether.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...nitys-decline/
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In ontario up to 100kbtu 1 ft from window over 100kbtu 3 ft unless manual is more strict
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Originally Posted by
pctech
100% illegal in Maine where iam from.
cannot be with in 6 feet of any working window in my town.
but those who don't follow regs do it all the time .
And somehow no one dies. 90% of Philly new construction installs are Goodman do I have to say anything more? And some how or another no one dies and the house does not burn down. However any actually AFUE or Seer rating is just a number on the paper, not with any basis in reality.
Big trick in my parts is for the plumber to steal the intake pvc line on the furnace for use on his new pvc vented water heater. However every once in a while I see the pvc shoved in a masonry chimney.
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