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Daikin Ururu Sarara Humidity Problem

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#1 ·
Hi all, I've been reading posts from HVAC-TALK for a while, decided to ask for advice here

Background information
2 months ago I've got FTXR42EV1B9 / RXR42EV1B9 model indoor/outdoor units of Daikin Ururu Sarara installed, the reason I went with Ururu Sarara was to have humidification/dehumidification/air cleaning/refreshing at one unit. Had a lot of problems with installation, the installers being extremely clumsy in Turkey, also the unit's functions are really primitive, I would expect to be able to control temperature and humidity at the same time, like an auto function, but unit's all operating modes are really limited, requires constant control to match temperature and humidity levels. As there are only 3 humidity levels available and you can't humidify properly when you are cooling.

The first outdoor unit was defective, the air fan was broken, I had a feeling Daikin was sending faulty units to Turkey, also from the beginning the unit caused dampness/moisture, after getting an hygrometer I saw that the unit was pumping RH levels to 70%'s - although outside and inside levels were normally at 45% - which is an extreme change, and the unit does this at auto/dry cooling/cooling modes. Anyway I managed to get a replacement for both indoor/outdoor units, the outdoor unit actually got changed 2 times, so I tested 3 units, the clumsy installers stepped on the outside unit once and broke it, that's why the outdoor unit got changed twice.

The Problem
No matter which mode the unit is in, after the specified temperature level is met, the unit starts increasing the humidity level in the room. (no matter the air refreshing/cleaning features are on or off)
For example lets say the room is 22 degrees, and the unit is set to cool to 23 degrees or dry cool to 23 degrees -- with dehumidification set to standard or hi, the humidity starts increasing from 40%'s to 70%'s
Without the unit operating, humidity levels stay the same, but with unit operating (operating but near idle), the humidity levels jumps to these levels in <30 minutes.

The solution is to turn the unit off after the desired temperature is met, which requires a lot of effort, turning the unit off and back on again. I've considered building an external arduino-based controller to govern the units functions, however I didn't start after reading that Daikin's IR protocols are complicated/cryptic.

The units were all made at 2008, that's what made me think that Daikin sent a faulty line to Turkey.

Question
Does other air conditioning units cause humidity to increase as a side-effect? What could be the reason of this problem?
(My room is <30m2's and the unit is ~18000btu's - however the room isn't tightly separated from the home - a dry home at ~ 22-25 degrees)

Thanks in Advance
 
#2 ·
Hi all, I've been reading posts from HVAC-TALK for a while, decided to ask for advice here

Question
Does other air conditioning units cause humidity to increase as a side-effect? What could be the reason of this problem?
(My room is <30m2's and the unit is ~18000btu's - however the room isn't tightly separated from the home - a dry home at ~ 22-25 degrees)

Thanks in Advance
Yes, the cooling of the air raises the %RH to near 95%RH as moisture is removed. As the cold dried air is mixed with the warm air in the room the average %RH is lowered. If water is draining from the unit, it is working. Get a good dehumidifier to go with your a/c.
REgards TB
 
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#3 ·
Thanks a lot for the answer, the water was initially pouring, however after the unit got de-installed the first time, an extreme amount of water poured from the unit/drain, so I made the installers improve the slope/installation

What's strange is that, intially the RH drops to lets say 45% - at 22 degrees, at that point the AC halts, and the RH slowly increases

Lets say the room is normally at 24 degrees, AC off for hours, and when the AC is set to 26 degrees at COLD, normally it should only circulate air to measure the temperature, and the temperature RH should stay ~ at same levels, however in these cases humidity always increases to > 60's from 40's

I'm also thinking whether the problems are caused by over-sized BTU issues, or air/humidity movements caused by temperature difference etc, however the last situation I mentioned discards my theories and makes me think the outdoor unit is pumping humidity through the humidity hose (I check the water line on the indoor unit, there is a minor amount of water, seems like a leftover rather than a collection)

I'm considering getting a de-humidifier, can't be sure whether the de-humidifier can pull humidity fast enough to match AC's humidity generation
I'm also considering running the AC continuously at AUTO mode and getting a de-humidifier, humidifier to keep the RH level around 50%, however it seems like an overkill, waste of space/energy/money, turning off the AC when it starts idling seems more logical
 
#5 ·
yes, slowly, also a minor hissing sound that lead me to believe a humidification routine is running

What's strange is all the devices in Turkey are made in 2008, 5 years that's a very long time, I'm thinking the filters might even degraded by this time
 
#7 ·
That unit actually has a HUMIDIFICATION feature as well as a DE-HUMIDIFICATION. It sounds as if you may have a problem with the HUMIDIFICATION feature. The system will absorb moisture from outside and move it to the indoors.
When operating properly, this system will act as a stand alone de-humidifier.

It sounds as if you have it in the "MOISTURE COOLING operation" mode. You should be using the "Sahara Dry" mode if there is not a lot of cooling load or "Dry Cooling" mode if there is sufficient cooling load.
 
#8 ·
Wasn't the case, on Sahara Dry / Dry modes, it still creates moisture, the new unit is much better than the older one, doesn't cause any problematic amounts of moisture
The unit also humidifies the air, on whatever mode it is on, I'm guessing it's part of the cleaning function, however the moisture problem I'm talking about is different.

Not keeping the unit always on solves my issues, didn't had any problem with the new unit, haven't really tried it on heating modes, whenever I turn the heating on, the humidity jumps up to 60's from 48's, immediately, hoping it's a temporary thing :)
 
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