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Going Pro
Hi all,
I have applied for "pro" status, but the member of the committee wanted me to provide evidence of my qualifications. Although I am a mechanical engineer and have been a working engineer for going 3 decades, I do not do BMS for a living, technically I run construction projects for a living. Other than a 1 week course I took at the training center for the VA in maryland, I have no formal training on BMS systems. All I have learned I taught myself reading forums like this and Niagara Central, help files, and manuals, and by just playing around with both the JCI controllers and the AX and N4 stuff on my hospitals BMS network (which I am the admin of).
My question is what kind of things would do to serve as examples of being a "Pro"? I have asked to get N4 certification classes, but training budgets at the hospital always are prioritized to the medical professionals so they can maintain their licenses, Engineering only gets what's left over, which most years is nothing, and the classes have been quite expensive, and after reading the course curriculum for most entry level N4 classes, I can do everything in them already and then some, but they won't let you take an advances course without taking the basic one first.
Thanks for any help I can give.
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I just realized there is no apparent way to edit a post here! I meant to say:
"Thanks for any help You can give!
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I got my pro membership with my mechanical qualifications. Then got involved with BMS later. So focus on the mechanical qualifications. Give them a lot, expect them to turn you down, ask them what they wanted that you did not give, than modify it as needed. Often it is a matter of packaging. Remember the mods are volunteers, so be nice and patient. Make it easy for them, they have day jobs.
Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.
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Your mechanical engineering credentials should suffice I would imagine. The controls forum is only one part of this site.
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Send them a copy of your pe stamp. Can’t imagine that wouldn’t be enough. And 15 posts of sufficient nature, not just hi I’m bob.
We need a few engineers on here so we can all tear you guys a new one! All joking aside welcome and look forward to picking your brain.
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...once you get the secret hand shake you'll go No CHIT.
btw grow, buy or acquire a flame suit.
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Do not attempt vast projects with
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Originally Posted by
numbawunfela
So focus on the mechanical qualifications
Not that I saw. Actual licenses in any field around HVAC should be more than enough and I don't think that's the only method.
Your a ME, degree, state license, etc.
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VAEngineer,
I submitted my Journeyman's license and my 608 card (many years ago). I see no reason they shouldn't grant you Pro status.
Just remember, the committee is volunteer and they may take a while to get around to it.
If sense were so common everyone would have it !
You cannot protect the Stupid from themselves !
"Experience is the ability to recognize a mistake Before you make it again!" (Stolen Quote)
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I was going to apply but since I am an electrician I have no EPA licence. I have no DDC certs of any kind as I was self taught. I was going to try to send screenshots of some of my programming as proof. I doubt that would mean anything to them. I thought I was going to be locked out of these non-pro forums where I have learned so much but so far I am still here.
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I wish I could I say I had a PE stamp, most mechanical engineers don't bother with it unless you work for an A/E firm, which I have never done. I worked field service for years, and now project management side of things. I will try to come up with something such as some wire sheets I have done, maybe write up some bullet points or something.
Thanks for all the help!
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Originally Posted by
orion242
Actual licenses in any field around HVAC should be more than enough....
Yeah, that is what I meant. As in, no BAS specific stuff needed.
VAEngineer - Instead of focusing on BAS qualifications to get into the Pro side on Htalk - remember this is a predominantly mechanical site and furnish mechanical qualifications.
I would imagine the Engineering degree wouldn't be a bad thing.
The Pro qualification is to keep the super cool trade secrets in the trade. Then we do not have the HomeDepot-fication of our trade. That is why all the HVAC supply houses have big signs saying they are wholesale to the trade ONLY, and may ask for an EPA cert or other proof you are in the trade. That happened to me once a long time ago.
Also it prevents homeowners from getting in over their head and blowing their hands off and suing somebody.
I did tech support for geothermal manufacturer years ago. I had a guy call me up looking for help getting his system working. He led of with 'I am an engineer, I have a degree, I know a lot. Don't tell me to go find a qualified person to service this thing because that is me'.
Okay.... shoot! What is your question?
I only need one thing. There is a tree symbol on the circulator pump. I need to know what that is for....
Tree symbol...?
It is on the terminal block near the terminals labeled for the electrical connections. There are 3 terminals and one has a tree symbol. What is the tree for?
Uh.....
Then I realized, he was talking about the ground terminal. They are on Grundfos pumps, which we used to supply with our product. I attached a pic.
I then told him he needed to find a qualified guy and I couldn't help him and he lost it. I imagine this is exactly how far he got with everyone else he had spoken to up to that point. Thus the silliness about being an engineer. As the yelling continued he wrapped up with:
I have children in the home with no heat. It is on you if they are harmed. This is Canada, and there are sub zero temperatures here.
No, if they suffer harm, it is on you - for refusing to call a qualified guy to come fix your machine.
GROUND:
TREE
Hmmmm....smells like numbatwo to me.
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It's really hard to answer your question. When I applied for pro status I thought it would be very difficult. However I was given status after a couple days and a few questions. I remember a few years ago there was a guy who publicly bragged on HVAC talk about doing subpar work and not pulling permits. Despite his public bragging about being a hack he applied for a professional status and was actually given it too. I haven't seen him around for a while though. Hopefully the site moderators realize their big mistake and fix it. For a while there it seemed like HVAC talk was joining the race of the bottom.......
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Originally Posted by
James Colver
It's really hard to answer your question. When I applied for pro status I thought it would be very difficult. However I was given status after a couple days and a few questions. I remember a few years ago there was a guy who publicly bragged on HVAC talk about doing subpar work and not pulling permits. Despite his public bragging about being a hack he applied for a professional status and was actually given it too. I haven't seen him around for a while though. Hopefully the site moderators realize their big mistake and fix it. For a while there it seemed like HVAC talk was joining the race of the bottom.......
Nope I’m still here!
Scan your diploma and send it in. And also start contributing to threads in the open, so when they look at your post history, they can see your not just a google warrior, and have info to contribute.
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