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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    You'd have to...Theres no damn room to move!
    There is not much room up there. I have a hard time moving around, and am 5'8". I can't imagine being how much of a pain to be taller and wider and having to move around up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post
    There is not much room up there. I have a hard time moving around, and am 5'8". I can't imagine being how much of a pain to be taller and wider and having to move around up there.
    At least your attic looks like it’s got popcorn Sheetrock ceiling as protection. In my area, we have to worry about getting rusted nail ends from when they install three tab or architectural shingles on the roof in your head when we move around on low pitch roofs......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post
    There is not much room up there. I have a hard time moving around, and am 5'8". I can't imagine being how much of a pain to be taller and wider and having to move around up there.
    ACCA Manual J
    __ Input Worksheet

    SIZE DEPENDS ON:

    1. AGE of residence ___ ? Built in 1977 or 2007
    2. ZIP _ _ _ _ _
    _______ 25'N or 52'N Latitude
    --- 800 or 8,000 foot elevation

    3. 1095 SQ FT
    ___ Perimeter ___
    __ Wall Height ___
    … yields Wall Area

    4. AMOUNT OF WINDOWS: 11 = ~ 170 Square Feet of GLASS
    NORTH ___ SQ FT
    SOUTH
    EAST
    WEST

    5. Infiltration __ A.C.H. Natural
    Designer Dan
    It's Not Rocket Science, But It is SCIENCE with "Some Art". ___ ___ K EEP I T S IMPLE & S INCERE

    Define the Building Envelope and Perform a Detailed Load Calc: It's ALL About Windows and Make-up Air Requirements. Know Your Equipment Capabilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post
    There is not much room up there. I have a hard time moving around, and am 5'8". I can't imagine being how much of a pain to be taller and wider and having to move around up there.
    I would yank everything out and plan it so there is room. I would get creative.

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    This may sound stupid, but will a salesperson (vs. a tech) know how to calculate BTU needed using manual J? If I recall, sometimes companies send salespeople (w/ sales background) vs. a technician w/ technical background?

    I have a company coming by this afternoon. Other quotes/estimates to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post
    This may sound stupid, but will a salesperson (vs. a tech) know how to calculate BTU needed using manual J? If I recall, sometimes companies send salespeople (w/ sales background) vs. a technician w/ technical background?

    I have a company coming by this afternoon. Other quotes/estimates to follow.
    Good question
    90+% don't do a manual "J" or fake the #'s.

    Be prepared to pay for that service (cant say how much) and have it credited towards the install

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post

    This may sound stupid, but will a salesperson (vs. a tech) know
    how to calculate BTU needed using manual J?

    If I recall, sometimes companies send salespeople (w/ sales background) vs. a technician w/ technical background?

    I have a company coming by this afternoon.
    Other quotes/estimates to follow.
    $ale$ ONLY use ONE Type of Number.
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    ACCA Manual J
    __ Input Worksheet

    SIZE DEPENDS ON:

    1. AGE of residence ___ ? Built in 1977 or 2007
    2. ZIP _ _ _ _ _
    _______ 25'N or 52'N Latitude
    --- 800 or 8,000 foot elevation

    3. 1095 SQ FT
    ___ Perimeter ___
    __ Wall Height
    ___
    … yields Wall Area

    4. AMOUNT OF WINDOWS: 11 = ~ 170 Square Feet of GLASS
    NORTH ___ SQ FT
    SOUTH
    EAST
    WEST

    Type of Windows ___ S.H.G.C. 0._ _ / U-factor 0._ _
    Or
    Double or Triple Pane, Tinted …?

    5. Infiltration __ A.C.H. Natural

    www.mysimplifiedhvac.com
    Designer Dan
    It's Not Rocket Science, But It is SCIENCE with "Some Art". ___ ___ K EEP I T S IMPLE & S INCERE

    Define the Building Envelope and Perform a Detailed Load Calc: It's ALL About Windows and Make-up Air Requirements. Know Your Equipment Capabilities

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    Got first quote today (3/30/20). A salesperson w/ no technical background. They work mostly with Lennox. Got a salespitch for a "better" "best" system for $ and $. Quotes didn't specify what Lennox model/unit number was. No itemization of equipment vs. labor. The lower quote includes adding 1 supply and 1 return. The higher quote includes adding 3 supplies and 2 additional returns. Neither quote included whether the main supply or main return ducts needed to be replaced if found insufficient.

    Pretty disappointed, but it's just the first company.
    Last edited by beenthere; 03-31-2020 at 05:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post
    Got first quote today (3/30/20). A salesperson w/ no technical background. They work mostly with Lennox. Got a salespitch for a "better" "best" system for $ and $. Quotes didn't specify what Lennox model/unit number was. No itemization of equipment vs. labor. The lower quote includes adding 1 supply and 1 return. The higher quote includes adding 3 supplies and 2 additional returns. Neither quote included whether the main supply or main return ducts needed to be replaced if found insufficient.

    Pretty disappointed, but it's just the first company.
    Have you tried the contractor locator on this site?
    Last edited by beenthere; 03-31-2020 at 05:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaInUSA View Post

    Got first quote today (3/30/20).

    A salesperson w/ no technical background. They work mostly with Lennox.
    Got a salespitch for a "better" "best" system for $ and $.

    Quotes didn't specify what Lennox model/unit number was.

    No itemization of equipment vs. labor. The lower quote includes adding 1 supply and 1 return.
    The higher quote includes adding 3 supplies and 2 additional returns.

    Neither quote included whether the main supply or main return ducts
    needed to be replaced if found insufficient.

    Pretty disappointed, but it's just the first company.
    YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A PROPOSAL.

    https://www.energystar.gov/ia/home_i...ors/qispec.pdf

    $ale$ ONLY use ONE Type of Number.
    _________________ ____________
    What you received was a FAKE QUOTE which is
    the mechanical contractor asking you to sign-on-the-dotted line
    for an unquantifiable disservice + some UNKNOWN manufacturers equipment.

    You don't even KNOW if you may actually have a RHEEM, Goodman, Tempstar, GREE or Lennox installed.

    Therefore, in restarting from 'square one', a Request for Proposal ( RFP) is required to be SPECIFIC.
    THE EXACT work scope and equipment shall be specified in the RFP.
    This process is actually ESSENTIAL in order to perform Meaningful Evaluations / Comparisons.
    Designer Dan
    It's Not Rocket Science, But It is SCIENCE with "Some Art". ___ ___ K EEP I T S IMPLE & S INCERE

    Define the Building Envelope and Perform a Detailed Load Calc: It's ALL About Windows and Make-up Air Requirements. Know Your Equipment Capabilities

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    Yes, but found only 1 that is an hour away?

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    Thanks. Will request a proposal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazooka Joey View Post
    There are Federal Tax Credits also, but again need to show a certain SEER, EER HSPF. You can’t go by the rating of the OD unit alone to get ratings, it’s a team effort of indoor selection and outdoor selection.

    https://www.energystar.gov/about/fed...ty_tax_credits

    One source for possible rebates https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...iQc0GVu13UMfK_
    Not to be an arse… but the Federal government knows nothing about comfort. In the past, most of the rebates had oversized blowers that created short cycling, too much air for undersized ducting and/or a lot of noise complaints. IF you plan on installing all new ductwork, this is a good option. But rebates don't always equate to comfort.

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