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  1. #40
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    Trane does have a 26kbtu 80% furnace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ebierley View Post
    Trane does have a 26kbtu 80% furnace.


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    That might be perfect AT design conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    Just so I'm reading this right, you're trying to a/c heat a total of 800 sq.ft. and this includes the 16x24 area?
    No, and I am sorry for the confusion. Originally my request during the design phase of this new building was to have the HVAC service the apartment and this 16X24 area on the ground floor(attached to the front of the garage.) I requested it be zoned so I could open up this area and use as a open air porch, or close the windows and have it heated/cooled with the rest of the structure. During the design phase, despite my asking where is the ductwork going to go, how are we getting the air down there, it was neglected. So now we are only using the current proposal HVAC for the apartment. We will, when the addition is completed, connect that system to this porch area, again, I am asking for this to be able to be zoned so I can close it off at will.

    So to sum up this proposed system is only for the 800 s/f apartment in Houston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebierley View Post
    Trane does have a 26kbtu 80% furnace.


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    I shall investigate. Thank you.

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    You might want to use a separate unit for the 16x24 area, if you intend to use it with the windows open at times.

    The reason why, is that the return duct will allow hot or higher humidity air to enter the area above it. Causing that area to have high humidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    You might want to use a separate unit for the 16x24 area, if you intend to use it with the windows open at times.

    The reason why, is that the return duct will allow hot or higher humidity air to enter the area above it. Causing that area to have high humidity.
    Well my fault for confusing everyone. The 16X 24 room(on the the first floor), was initially to be on this system. Because of structural design problem it will not be included. The system I need is just for the 800s/f apartment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    Your demands are going to raise the price of this project extremely high.

    Gas heat is fine but finding one for this small of a foot print is almost impossible. I believe 40K BTU's is the smallest and that's probably 2 - 3 times whats required.

    No Heat pumps is your decision but I feel is a mistake. You Do Not have to use the heat feature if you choose not to.
    A small system like this "Zoned" ? Only a duel zone Mini will be small enough for this requirement but your against those.


    Lets start with Step 1

    You need an accurate Load Loss calculation done. Complete the form I sent you, get back with the questions you have and well help.

    Then we will know what size equipment you need and what your options are.
    Attempting to do the Load Loss calculation now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1584 View Post
    Attempting to do the Load Loss calculation now.
    You might want to get you a Coleman RV Heat Pump unit and mount it up on the roof and duct it to the inside.
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    OK, here's where I am at. I am getting confused trying to get all the information to do the load calculation myself. Meanwhile, I directly asked my builder if I have a gas heater and was assured it was gas.

    I have called Trane corporate for help and am was referred to my local dealer, there is no support for the customer. They were very nice though. So I called the dealer that installed a Tran in my current home 2 years ago and picked his brain. Yes the proposal as written has an electric furnace, but the AC is a conventional system not a heat pump. He explained that the electric might be because I won't have gas service. The apartment has a gas cooktop, a gas water heater, and a pool is being built which will have a large gas heater. He also thought 3 T, even with a vaulted ceiling and a wall of windows seems large. I then called another dealer for Trane and asked the same questions and received the same information.

    Quite frankly I feel as if being blown off. "I don't know where you are getting your information from." is typical of one comment I got.

    This building is new from the ground up. It is a very expensive project, this building, then an addition to connect this building to the original 1904 bungalow. The house in on the Natl. Historic Register, though not in the historic district, and I want to do justice to the the original house, the lot, and the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1584 View Post

    OK, here's where I am at.
    I am getting confused trying to get all the information to do the load calculation myself.
    Meanwhile, I directly asked my builder if I have a gas heater and was assured it was gas.

    I have called Trane corporate for help and am was referred to my local dealer, there is no support for the customer. They were very nice though.
    So I called the dealer that installed a Tran in my current home 2 years ago and picked his brain.
    Yes the proposal as written has an electric furnace, but the AC is a conventional system not a heat pump.
    He explained that the electric might be because I won't have gas service.

    The apartment has a gas cooktop, a gas water heater, and a pool is being built which will have a large gas heater. He also thought 3 T, even with a vaulted ceiling and a wall of windows seems large.
    I then called another dealer for Trane and asked the same questions and received the same information.

    Quite frankly I feel as if being blown off.
    "I don't know where you are getting your information from." is typical of one comment I got.

    POST # 3 provides a simplified Load Calculation.

    Quite frankly, I ALSO Feel as if I have been blown off.
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    Perhaps you might want to bring in an engineer to do your load calc and design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1584 View Post
    The house in on the Natl. Historic Register, though not in the historic district, and I want to do justice to the the original house, the lot, and the neighborhood.
    You might want to get the plans signed off by the Mayor. We looked at a job on XXXX North Blvd, but it's in the historic district, it was next to impossible to do anything to that home, could not do anything on the outside, we spent days over there trying to figure out the a/c on it. Had 2 systems in the basement and one on the 3rd floor, I know you probably know the home I'm talking about, it's probably still under construction. We finally gave up, the money was beyond great, problem was, the job was impossible to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan sw fl View Post
    POST # 3 provides a simplified Load Calculation.

    Quite frankly, I ALSO Feel as if I have been blown off.
    Dan, I sent PM

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