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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    There's no need to let things run wild.
    But who defines wild? The catch-22 Trump is in is that even if everything goes perfectly he will be accused of overreacting. But if anything goes south he will be one of the ones blamed. Right or wrong it is a difficult situation for him.

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    Think I've got a few old phone books in the garage. Probably last quite awhile.

    Or just take a dump first thing in the morning, then jump in the shower. Don't need no stinkin' toilet paper. Jeez, what a thing to hoard.


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    I don't have a clue what started the whole toilet paper thing, I'd be interested to find out.
    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidadavis View Post
    But who defines wild? The catch-22 Trump is in is that even if everything goes perfectly he will be accused of overreacting. But if anything goes south he will be one of the ones blamed. Right or wrong it is a difficult situation for him.
    Who monitors and controls health and business? Who sets health guidelines? Who determines what businesses are allowed to do?

    Not the president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Who monitors and controls health and business? Who sets health guidelines? Who determines what businesses are allowed to do?

    Not the president.
    Yeah... that’s totally how the voting masses think... lol

    If shi goes south you know he is going to get more than his fair share of the blame. Presidents always get too much credit for good stuff and too much blame for bad.

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    In answer to your question, he's not the one who defines wild.
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    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

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    From what I can glean from the inaccurate and incomplete news....

    CV is VERY dangerous and we are not going to be able to 'contain' it.

    It's the spread of the virus that makes it so dangerous, not the death rate.

    Half the victims have little or no symptoms, so that will mean literally thousands upon thousands of "Typhoid Mary"s walking around. Incubation period maybe 10 days, infectious probably a majority of that. Post illness infectious may last 5 weeks.

    The reported death rate of 3.4% is probably WAY over-blown. Since half have no symptoms, we can instantly cut that number in half? I'd bet less than half by a long-shot.

    Victims in the US so far are all elderly, most with "pre-existing conditions". Looks like the under 50 age group is going to be able to skate through this thing rather easily. It's killing the old and weak. Mostly.

    I am not for a moment going to suggest we do nothing in response, but I do not think this thing can be contained and will just have to run it's course. I'd like to see MAX effort applied to nursing homes / assisted living facilities. Might be able to put up some fire-walls there, but not everywhere. Somebody let the genie out of the bottle and it ain't gonna go back in.

    Possible developments: Someone may develop a vaccine and fix everything. Or the virus may mutate and kill everyone of us as a deadlier strain. Or we may be invaded by Martians. It is very clear we know less about this virus than we know about it.

    My personal take on this at the moment: Looks to me like a really really bad flu going around and most of us are probably going to catch it. Merkel predicted 70% of Germany will get it, someone predicted 1/2 of USA will get it. I really do not doubt those numbers at this point. Again, it's the infection rate, not the fatality rate, that makes this thing so dangerous.

    Oh yea, one more thing.....
    The chi-coms should either stop experimenting with bio-weapons or stop eating silly sh1t like 'bat soup'. What the F is wrong with those people?
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

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    I heard one of the big problems with CV is the rate of mutation. They're not really sure how much or how aggressive future mutations will be. I think I heard that all virus' mutate, sometimes to less aggressive other times to more aggressive.
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    Credible insights into the Coronavirus by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn074EB5NNY


    This doctor is basically saying:
    There is nothing special or unusual about Coronavirus. It is simply one of the few viruses that have been brought to the attention of virologists this year. The only reason we know about it is because someone made a test for it and then tested sick and dying people, and then politicians made a fuss about it. The test was never validated.

    Apparently, they don't really know at this point that this virus is responsible for the deaths of people who had respiratory illnesses.
    Last edited by Space Racer; 03-18-2020 at 10:58 AM.
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    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

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    China is well off
    by W. Wodarg
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    The current Panic has nothing to do with illness or epidemics. All flu-watch indicators just show baseline data. (normale Werte)

    Neither in China nor in Italy nor elsewhere extraordinary cases of severe illness are registered. (see above)

    China alarmed its people and the world just for two months in Wuhan and staged how to detect and fight an epidemic. European states follow that example and are isolating each other.

    In Europe the economy is breaking down and human rights are forgotten, while China has shifted its testing to its frontiers and declares the crisis from now on as a foreign problem.

    Europe is paralyzed by panic and China is smiling.

    https://www.wodarg.com/


    Without PCR-Tests there would be no reason for special alarms.
    We are currently not measuring the incidence of coronavirus diseases, but the activity of the specialists searching for them.
    by Wolfgang Wodarg
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    The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.

    Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries.

    The carnival in Venice was cancelled after an elderly dying hospital patient was tested positive. When a handful of people in Northern Italy also were tested positive, Austria immediately closed the Brenner Pass temporarily.

    Due to a suspected case of coronavirus, more than 1000 people were not allowed to leave their hotel in Tenerife. On the cruise ship Diamond Princess 3700 passengers could not disembark., Congresses and touristic events are cancelled, economies suffer and schools in Italy have an extra holyday.

    At the beginning of February, 126 people from Wuhan were brought to Germany by plane and remained there in quarantine two weeks in perfect health. Corona viruses were detected in two of the healthy individuals.

    We have experienced similar alarmist actions by virologists in the last two decades. WHO's "swine flu pandemic" was in fact one of the mildest flu waves in history and it is not only migratory birds that are still waiting for "birds flu". Many institutions that are now again alerting us to the need for caution have let us down and failed us on several occasions. Far too often, they are institutionally corrupted by secondary interests from business and/or politics.

    If we do not want to chase frivolous panic messages, but rather to responsibly assess the risk of a spreading infection, we must use solid epidemiological methodology. This includes looking at the "normal", the baseline, before you can speak of anything exceptional.

    Read the rest:
    https://www.wodarg.com/
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    The Skew -

    Deaths are always reported - 100% And I suspect so are those for which the Wuhan Flu was a secondary (or third or fifth <g>) cause of death. <g>

    Symptomless Infections, Mild Occurrences, Cured-at-Home, and etc. - are far less likely to be reported.

    So what happens to the numbers based ratios? <g>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Reports say that Coronavirus has a death rate of 1%, whereas the flu has a death rate of 0.1%, which means that Coronavirus is 10 times as lethal.

    But these reports also fail to mention that the death rate is a percentage of the number of people who have contracted the disease, not a percentage of the population.

    Thus, if 10,000 people get Coronavirus, the expected number of deaths is 100.
    And if 100,000 people get the flu, the expected number of deaths is 100.

    Since the initial outbreak of the disease last year, about 4,000 people across the world have gotten Coronavirus.
    Each year, anywhere from 200,000 to 500,000 people around the world get the flu. Let's call it 350,000.
    And let's say 20,000 people get CV this year.
    Thats 200 dead from CV vs 350 dead from the flu.

    The media keep saying we don't have enough test kits, and it could be a huge problem.

    But we have a flu vaccine and most people never bother to get a flu shot. Why aren't people running to the drugstores and grocery stores and health clinics to get their free flu shots? Where is the concomitant panic for flu remedies?

    The difference lies with the media, whipping up a froth for CV and getting everyone to shut everything down. Seems to me it's a little out of proportion.

    Not only that, but the numbers are wrong:

    One of the characteristics of CV is that many people never have any symptoms of the disease. So how does anybody even decide to test them? And how do they know to count them among the number of people who have caught the virus?

    The reports say that 4,000 people have caught the virus so far. How do we know the number isn't really 40,000? -- or 400,000?

    We don't.

    If the number is really 40,000 then that puts the death rate at 0.1% -- the same death rate as the flu.
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    We will not have good data until testing becomes more widespread and available. You need a referral from a Dr. and have a high temp and a low pulse/ox to even be considered for a test around here.
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

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    I am a skeptic regarding this CV pandemic. I was from the beginning and then became more of a believer that perhaps it is a real pandemic and a serious global problem. The news hypes up everything and it is so easy to get caught up in the talk.

    As things are playing out now I am moving back to my skepticism. The numbers are actually not all that alarming. In addition, several weeks ago my family came down with something and then it got passed around the family and I got it as well. We have all had the flu in the past but this felt different. We took longer than normal to recover but did recover. My wife got the same thing a second time and has recovered again. CV perhaps?

    I really tend to think this is not anything near a pandemic or at least not something worth shutting down the country. I am more concerned with over reactions and government intervention in our lives resulting in a complete change in freedom and personal liberty over this. Person liberty and our economic system is in trouble here perhaps more so than some overblown false illness.
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    This is what I think Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is trying to say in the video in post #34 above, in layman's terms:

    1. When Dr. W tracked flu viruses in his local population, he was not in the habit of tracking each individual virus, like Coronavirus, for example. He tracked all 100 types of viruses as a whole.

    But in Glasgow, researchers had tests for a few individual viruses, including coronaviruses, and they found a mix of several viruses that caused respiratory illness. Among the viruses tested, the coronaviruses made up anywhere from 5 to 14 percent of the mix. The size of their share fluctuates from year to year.

    In Wuhan, in a sample of 50 patients, virologists identified a new strain of coronavirus and published their findings. Researchers in Berlin saw the publication, and went about trying to create a test to measure the new strain. A man named Mr. Drosten submitted a protocol to WHO, and they approved it without validation. Normally, a test has to be rigorously checked and tested before it is approved. And it has to be qualified and described according to what the test measures and what it means.

    Data from the test has to be collected over a period of time, and then compared to data from previous years before the test can be validated. This was not done.

    Mr. Drosten's test was just an in-house test that was developed in a clinic. It was rushed into production without anyone even knowing what the test proved. The test could only say that the strain was different -- nothing more.


    2. When you take a sample of people from a population, you need to take a cross-section of the population. You need to avoid taking a sample only from a part of the population that appears to have more of the relevant information you need. So when you take a sample of a particular population in order to find a virus, you can't just go to hospitals and intensive care units. Or if you do, you can't say that the death rate of your sample is representative of the death rate of all the sick people in the population, or all the people who have respiratory infections in the population. Your death rate is only representative of the sickest people in the population -- those most likely to die.

    But there haven't been enough tests available to sample the population. There haven't even been enough to sample those who present symptoms. There have only been enough to sample those who are very sick. And those have only been for this most recent year -- not for previous years.

    Therefore, when you mention death rate percentages, you have to identify your mortality rate by the sample its test data came from. You can't apply your percentage as a general statistic of the population. But this is what the doctors in the media have done.

    3. Since coronaviruses are a subset of flu viruses, and flu has a death rate of 0.1%, coronaviruses by themself should only have a death rate lower than 0.1% -- around 0.01%, to be a little more precise. So if Coronavirus is causing a rise in the death rate above 0.1%, this rise is in patients who have both flu virus and Coronavirus -- not just Coronavirus by itself.

    Continue the video from here, beginning at 7:40.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn074EB5NNY

    Basically what all this means is that all the testing and data and results regarding Coronavirus that have been published by the MSM in recent months is invalid and has no business being used to justify the mass hysteria and behavior manipulation imposed upon us by the various world health organizations and governments. Instead of following through with proper research, they opted for the panic button, and have only managed to ruin our lives in the process.
    Last edited by Space Racer; 03-18-2020 at 06:25 PM.
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    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

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