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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I love commercial.
    I think commercial I think 10 below windy day, a foot of snow on the roof with a unit down that has 279 wires all the same color and 16 years worth of jumping techniques already done on it. No thanks.
    I'll say in thousands of calls, I have turned down one upon arrival. Think about 40 cats with no issues about marking everything in the house with their 'scent'

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    I would have done the same thing that you did. Decline to work on it in that position. If they wanted to pay my extremely high "I D 10 T' charge to have softener moved, well, then maybe we discuss it. But, I would be sure to explain that with the age and condition , a new furnace would be better money spent. If my techs sent me a pic of that and asked if they should attempt repair, I would tell them NO. Time to properly replace with service space as per code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glennhvac View Post
    I think commercial I think 10 below windy day, a foot of snow on the roof with a unit down that has 279 wires all the same color and 16 years worth of jumping techniques already done on it. No thanks.
    I'll say in thousands of calls, I have turned down one upon arrival. Think about 40 cats with no issues about marking everything in the house with their 'scent'
    On the contrary.

    When I think of commercial, I think of easily understood systems that residential contractors do not understand and have no experience working on. I will spend perhaps one day a year in the conditions you just described, never having entered an attic or a crawl space, and the rest of the time I'm getting the work done in a half an hour and spending the next three working on paperwork in an air-conditioned or heated vehicle.

    Yesterday was very unusual.....in that I had to replace a blower motor in a York Predator unit, and that did take a couple hours because I had to do the blower bearings as well....which were seized to the shaft, but I did have the apprentice with me, and I taught him how to do what I had done and what tools he would need to purchase to be able to do the job.....and I still got home 2 hours early.
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    Not defending the salt barrel next to the furnace, but it looks like the ductwork above is also corroded. All could have been from a plumbing leak long ago repaired. Also notice the floor drain sorta under the furnace, in another thread awhile back someone refused to fix a furnace that had that.
    Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Nut up and get the heat on provided the furnace is in otherwise safe to operate condition, and note all your concerns. No "good" reviews come from clients who have waited half a day for you and you walk away leaving them still without heat.

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    This brings to mind the paragraph in the instruction manual about clearance in front of and around the unit.

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    Had one the other day... new customer...

    Some hack had replaced the water heater... including a re-cerc pump, attached to the drain (and there is NO drain valve).
    Anyways... the hack did not put the water heater all the way back in the corner... and as a result... the air filter would not come out of the furnace...
    And you guessed it... it is one of those aluminum frame washable ones...

    Had to sawzall the filter into pieces... 2x... to get it out... then fold a paper pleated filter repeatedly to get it in.

    Cleaned the flame sensor and attached it with a larger screw (5/16 rather than 1/4... LOVE Goo-mans, the sheet metal strips out from screws by just looking at it...)
    Anyhow, works fine now.

    Showed the issue to the HO... explained the issue...
    They said they did not have the number of the plumber, could I fix the issue...

    Sadly... the WH was installed with ProPress... so I cannot solder any of the pipes (mess up the O rings with heat)...
    Had to decline... could have made some $$$ moving the WH back out of the way...
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    time to invest in a pro press love mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctech View Post
    time to invest in a pro press love mine
    We do not do enough plumbing to make it cost effective...

    And I am not convinced it is leak proof long term... for refrigerant lines...

    However that is another thread...
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    If I can get to it I'll try to get you going but I'm not magical, also I'm not a plumber, easy stuff sure but moving the whole softener is more liability than the profit is worth. I'd take video of it along with showing what code clearances are and explain to the HO their predicament. Most people that see that will realize someone else screwed them and I'm trying my best to help. Only people that said "that's your problem, not mine" were mistaken

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    Depends, is the furnace safe to operate? Is the heat exchanger in good condition? Cant answer those questions without moving the water softener. As others stated, include that work in in your bid, also include code requirment for access to equipment and how having code violations usually prevents the sell of the home in the future. I never turn down work, but I DO bill accorrdingly, which means those types of job go to someone else if the customer price shops.

    But explain the dangers of a bad furnace, CO poisioning etc, and that water softener will get moved. And don't we all know at least 1 plumber?
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    Oh, and always charge enough for a job to be worth the headaches it will cause, that way if they do say yes, the extra money is there.
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    for refrigerant lines i agree but for water etc i love them.

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