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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Not sure what you are saying in relation to having a cell phone at work. What if I am not an addict and I would like to hear from my child's school if something happened? How about since I work so much and I needed to make a Dr appointment and can only do so when I am at work? Or if I needed the test results read to me since they will not leave a message which is normal practice etc......

    What if I was an "addict" but needed to do the above? What if I was an "addict" and was a productive worker and had no other issues at work?

    It is a poor owner-mgr that can't tell if they have a good employee without this rule being talked about here.

    There are probably many who use their phones responsibly but some don't. It can be a major distraction. Addiction is often associated with drugs but it can take many forms.
    Computers are often abused where some can't be away from their social addiction.
    Some relationships are addictive. Obsessive compulsive disorder.
    Most employees are judged by the job and an owner knows all their people are not equal. The usual course is to take the good with the not so good.
    It would be useful for owner/mgr to learn enough psychology to recognize these problems so they can refer to professionals. People with these problems could be helped.
    Many companies will refer employees that fail a drug test to rehab. I could see this happening with other addictions.
    Anyway, I'll probably be in the minority on this issue but mainly because addicts are not going to admit their addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    There are probably many who use their phones responsibly but some don't. It can be a major distraction. Addiction is often associated with drugs but it can take many forms.
    Computers are often abused where some can't be away from their social addiction.
    Some relationships are addictive. Obsessive compulsive disorder.
    Most employees are judged by the job and an owner knows all their people are not equal. The usual course is to take the good with the not so good.
    It would be useful for owner/mgr to learn enough psychology to recognize these problems so they can refer to professionals. People with these problems could be helped.
    Many companies will refer employees that fail a drug test to rehab. I could see this happening with other addictions.
    So you think employers should be referring their employees for treatment.
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    Large companies have things called "EAP."

    Employee Assistance Programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    It is probably illegal to do so unless all employees are subject to that same rule.
    that would be a horrible law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    Maybe the solution is better hiring practices. Is said company hiring technicians or hiring bodies to perform work?
    along with better management and training practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitz View Post
    How about if your guys get there work done and done properly who care if they have there own phone? Your trusted with so much when your on the job and there going to do that.

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    companies should not be concerned with optimizing every last second of a tech's time (which is the point of a ban on personal phones) and instead should focus on optimizing the effectiveness of the whole job. so that means doing things like looking at the right metrics, vetting applicants to get employees with the right values, getting employees on board with company vision, etc

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    We don't have such a policy. All the guys have company phones, low end, enough to call customers and receive their calls via email. Some call in on their company phone, some on their personal phone. We use T-mobile and a few of the guys living in the boonies can't get a signal from home and have to use their personal phones to call in. Gotta trust your help to not be goofing off when they should be working. But seems to me, with the huge shortage of good techs, having that policy could cost you some good guys from hiring on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    So you think employers should be referring their employees for treatment.
    Better than firing them. Rehab for drug use is the way things are today. If a company has a good hand they are worth keeping. They can be scarce. There is, for some, a good argument that the stress of the job contributed to using.
    Social media can be similar in it's compulsive behavior.
    Usually with a failed drug test an employee is offered rehab over termination. They don't have to accept it.

    If I'm buying a person's time I want their best time. I would have problems if they had side jobs that resulted in poor performance because of being too tired. Social media can cause very poor performance with compulsive users. Why should their compulsive behavior be my companies problem?
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    Hahaha if my company told me that tomorrow I tell them "how would you know if I had my personal phone on me?" I use mine as a troubleshooting tool mostly because I hate my company iPhone. I have a few apps I use like tecumseh and Copeland for compressor info and a PT chart one.
    Jesus if they thought having a personal phone was bad then I wonder what they'd think about the fishing pole I keep in my truck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT1 View Post
    Hahaha if my company told me that tomorrow I tell them "how would you know if I had my personal phone on me?" I use mine as a troubleshooting tool mostly because I hate my company iPhone. I have a few apps I use like tecumseh and Copeland for compressor info and a PT chart one.
    Jesus if they thought having a personal phone was bad then I wonder what they'd think about the fishing pole I keep in my truck?

    You can't condemn a company rule buy saying how responsible you are with yours. The fact is many companies struggle to keep employees on the job. Companies allow lunch and coffee breaks at their expense why should they put up with employees that don't value how expensive they cost and don't want them $crewing off.
    Tell ya what. Start your own company and see how long it takes to develop a different work ethic.
    Both owners and employees have a reasonable expectation of success. It's performance based. If both aren't performing something has to change or fail.
    I've seen a worker scurry off to his hiding place to gab to his girlfriend for over an hour most every day. If he had worked for my company at that point I'd be fairly sure I couldn't rehab him so the next slow time he's gone. How is that wrong? Fortunately he didn't work for me or he wouldn't have had the wait.
    Ask me what I think of your fishing pole?
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    So what do you think about my fishing pole?
    I happen to work alot in Downtown San Diego and in the days I'm down there I fish for like 20 minutes before heading to class if I have time. But also how would this be enforced. How would they know you had your phone on you? Would they have some kind of observer ride with yih all day just to make sure you dont have a personal phone?
    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    You can't condemn a company rule buy saying how responsible you are with yours. The fact is many companies struggle to keep employees on the job. Companies allow lunch and coffee breaks at their expense why should they put up with employees that don't value how expensive they cost and don't want them $crewing off.
    Tell ya what. Start your own company and see how long it takes to develop a different work ethic.
    Both owners and employees have a reasonable expectation of success. It's performance based. If both aren't performing something has to change or fail.
    I've seen a worker scurry off to his hiding place to gab to his girlfriend for over an hour most every day. If he had worked for my company at that point I'd be fairly sure I couldn't rehab him so the next slow time he's gone. How is that wrong? Fortunately he didn't work for me or he wouldn't have had the wait.
    Ask me what I think of your fishing pole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT1 View Post
    So what do you think about my fishing pole?
    I happen to work alot in Downtown San Diego and in the days I'm down there I fish for like 20 minutes before heading to class if I have time. But also how would this be enforced. How would they know you had your phone on you? Would they have some kind of observer ride with yih all day just to make sure you dont have a personal phone?

    I think the way you explained your fishing pole was to lead us to think you fished on company time. All I can derive is from what you write.
    The intention isn't to spy on employees. It's to set rules. Employees are expected to abide by them the same as an employer has to abide by rules set for them. Rules, like speed limits, are for those that get caught.
    An ideal employee doesn't waste company time on personal crap. When working for a company, they paid for your time. I'm reasonably certain when you buy something you want your money's worth. Not so different.
    You sound like a guy that likes his personal freedoms. These things take a back seat when choosing to work for someone. The option might be to have your own company. Usually not much freedom but you can make your own choices to a point.
    Give me a relay with big enough contacts, and I'll run the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhat View Post
    I had someone call me this morning, applied for a job going from Res. Install to commercial service. Their No. 1 rule is no personal Cell Phones.
    LOLOL LMAO LOL

    OHHHHH the irony, they called you on your personal phone during working hours to offer you a job where they don't allow you to have your phone... uhm, perhaps they don't want you job shopping.

    We have had meetings where the boss has said no personal phones, during those meetings both my work phone and personal phone are sitting on the table.

    I would be more concerned WHY they opted to have this rule more so than I would compliance with it. Now with that said, 95% of the time my phone is sitting in the truck, I don't really need it with me but that is also because he has no major issue with personal use of the company phone so my wife calls me on that more often than not.

    They can take the "emergency only" BS and SHOVE IT. Last night the wife shot me a text that prescriptions were in, tonight she alerted me she was working late, we communicate once or twice a day, mostly text because we both may be indisposed working and it will need to wait. She KNOWS I don't like getting calls when I am busy and if she needs to talk she will even text asking if it is a good time or not and wait for the response.

    I likely would not be interested in working for them at all as I suspect they employ a lot of subpar techs. Good techs won't put up with silliness and micromanagement for long, they simply don't have to in today"s market.

    Phones are a tool, are they going to supply all other tools and tell you how those are to be used as well?

    Get really good at the craft and just say no to micro managers.

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