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  1. #14
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    Thanks for all you do for this site. And our country. I much appreciate it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    I am a licensed amateur (HAM) radio operator and a longstanding member of the Amateur Radio Relay League, a national organization for HAM operators. Here is my opinion on this new California regulation.

    California is not outlawing amateur operators or operations. California is disbanding all cooperation between California emergency agencies as well as making life difficult for those who operate radio repeaters and repeater antennas located on government property. This of course is stupid because amateur radio has been and continues to be almost essential in times of emergency. Amateur radio is private. Operators own their own radios and equipment. There is zero cost to the government. In addition, many operators have backup emergency power systems so they can operate when and long after the utility power is gone.

    Amateur operators are able to communicate when no other communication mode can. Operators and local amateur radio clubs have emergency agreements with and practice with local government fire, sheriff and police departments as well as other government agencies. Even the military has a national agreement with selected amateurs across the nation. There is even an amateur radio station in the Pentagon on the top floor with antennas on the Pentagon roof. That station in particular came thru on 9/11.

    Every hurricane has resulted in some loss of communication. Amateur radio has always provided local communication as well as emergency services communication during those kinds of disasters. I could go on and on with more examples.

    For the State Of California to reach the conclusion that amateur radio technology and system of communication is no longer necessary or is outdated is total liberal progressive posturing. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many amateur radio experimenters are degreed engineers and have actually had a great deal to do with the advancements of cell phone and internet technology. Amateur radio continues to contribute to the very latest in communication advancements. HAM radio has over a dozen types of communication modes, meaning if one mode of communication is a problem they can switch to an alternative mode of communication.

    The International Space Station maintains an amateur radio station on board and several if not all of the US astronauts are licensed amateurs. Private amateur radio clubs own amateur radio satellites and the dozen or more amateur radio satellites are open for use by any licensed radio amateur. This is not just boys playing with their toy walkie talkies. This is a serious non government financed system of local and global communication owned by each amateur radio operator. Combined we have an amazing cooperative system of backup communication.

    My opinion is, California dislikes the idea of something like this existing where it is not under the direct control of their socialistic communist government system. They can't shut it down. People can freely communicate and California has not control over that communication. Lots of preppers as well as many milita groups opt for HAM radio. I own and operate several highly portable radios myself.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

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    I'm trying hard to get stuff done, but its been so dang hot. Looks like its going to cool down soon, maybe I'll have the opportunity to get going.

    I wrote the frequency down, my memory still sucks a bit, memory getting better little by little.

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    I'm ham radio operator.

    There are so many things ham radio operators can choose from to do in the service and the hobby - it is both a service to others and a fun learning hobby, and you can devote as much or little time to either aspect of it as you like.

    The entry level license is so easy to get that some families all get licensed including children. It's much better than those crummy cheap-o FRS radios when going to the amusement park or camping to have more range especially the better reception from a ham-type hand-held radio with access to repeaters for safety purposes.

    There are a lot of family friendly activities as well as plenty of used radios so it's pretty cheap to get started. All are welcome to the hobby. It's just a good all round wholesome, educational, and civic minded pursuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opcom View Post
    I'm ham radio operator.

    There are so many things ham radio operators can choose from to do in the service and the hobby - it is both a service to others and a fun learning hobby, and you can devote as much or little time to either aspect of it as you like.

    The entry level license is so easy to get that some families all get licensed including children. It's much better than those crummy cheap-o FRS radios when going to the amusement park or camping to have more range especially the better reception from a ham-type hand-held radio with access to repeaters for safety purposes.

    There are a lot of family friendly activities as well as plenty of used radios so it's pretty cheap to get started. All are welcome to the hobby. It's just a good all round wholesome, educational, and civic minded pursuit.
    You are so right. You can talk locally, statewide, nationally and around the world. When all other forms of communication fail amateur radio still works as it is independent of infrastructure. There are free to use amateur satellites you can connect to with a hand held amateur radio. You can even bounce a signal off the moon or off layers of the atmosphere and talk internationally. Amateur radio was the only way to communicate during Katrina and similar disasters and has saved lives.

    It is now possible to purchase a very good hand held radio made in China for as little as 30 bucks. No big deal if I were to lose it! You can go very simple or get more technical and learn a great deal about how it all works. Some guys build there own radio from components. As HVAC guys we are already pretty technical so I find the technical side of amateur radio fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    Hugh is spot on: many amateur radio experimenters are degreed engineers and have actually had a great deal to do with the advancements of cell phone and internet technology. Amateur radio continues to contribute to the very latest in communication advancements. HAM radio has over a dozen types of communication modes, meaning if one mode of communication is a problem they can switch to an alternative mode of communication.

    I would add that many advancements in medical technology has resulted from amateur radio operator’s experiments as well. Not allot of mechanical engineers in the hobby, but a boat load of E.E’s.

    Back on topic, lessons are not learned by short sighted policy makers. After Katrina the policy makers admitted they made an error by dismissing the Ham Radio community as being obsolete. Fortunately, those of us that are actively involved in emergency communications practice our craft and are equipped with “go boxes” with antennas, radios, coax, generators etc.

    I am not aware of any club or group that relies on repeaters as sole means of communication. That would be unwise. That is why they practice using Simplex on VHF and UHF frequencies. A disadvantage to VHF and UHF is that it is line of sight. You can communicate hundreds, and even thousands of miles with VHF but the conditions and equipment need to be right. Heck, there are groups of operators that bounce VHF signals off the moon to the other side of the world. The ole Moon Bounce they call it. Other ham guys operate satellites routinely. Though I have plenty of VHF and UHF equipment I am an HF guy where I am not limited by line of sight, but atmospheric conditions. Propagation is an unpredictable thing. Some days I can hear someone 25 miles out and cant hear Europe or South America. Other times it is the opposite. That’s why we practice passing messages using relay stations. I guess we are human repeaters. It’s not as easy as it sounds to pass traffic, as we call it.

    I hope you get your equipment back up and going Roy. If you do, give me shout out. I am on 3937kc at 0200 zulu almost every night. 75M propagation has been really long on some nights and I have been hearing NY and CT more than once. I have been rebuilding old vacuum tube ham radios for a number of years. It is allot of fun and I can leave my door open in the shack during the winter and my Swan Mark II linear keeps the room just about right with those two 3-500Z tubes glowing red. LOL. Another advantage to vacuum tube equipment is that they are not subject to an EMF event like the solid state equipment is...or so I have been told. I should verify that. I would hate to lose my K3 during and EMF event but I am not going to put in a Faraday cage either.

    BTW...hello to the group
    I don't have a radio that works HF. I have three hand held radios for vhf and uhf and go simplex and use repeaters often. I have been shopping for a first HF radio now for the last couple of years. It is the cost that sort of holds me up. I travel frequently and stay in hotels. I use a mag mount for my Yaesu HT when I travel. I would really like to get something that also works HF and fits in my luggage along with an easy to string antenna in a hotel room. I think the K3 is pretty portable for a mobile station?
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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