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    And CA now wants to silence amateur radio operators...

    I guess if one can silence free communication...
    They can have more power:

    https://thecount.com/2019/10/10/why-...own-ham-radio/

    WHY... does CA always say their lefty power grabs...
    Are always in the name of progress???

    Answer; because they can sell it that way
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I guess if one can silence free communication...
    They can have more power:

    https://thecount.com/2019/10/10/why-...own-ham-radio/

    WHY... does CA always say their lefty power grabs...
    Are always in the name of progress???

    Answer; because they can sell it that way
    I am a licensed amateur (HAM) radio operator and a longstanding member of the Amateur Radio Relay League, a national organization for HAM operators. Here is my opinion on this new California regulation.

    California is not outlawing amateur operators or operations. California is disbanding all cooperation between California emergency agencies as well as making life difficult for those who operate radio repeaters and repeater antennas located on government property. This of course is stupid because amateur radio has been and continues to be almost essential in times of emergency. Amateur radio is private. Operators own their own radios and equipment. There is zero cost to the government. In addition, many operators have backup emergency power systems so they can operate when and long after the utility power is gone.

    Amateur operators are able to communicate when no other communication mode can. Operators and local amateur radio clubs have emergency agreements with and practice with local government fire, sheriff and police departments as well as other government agencies. Even the military has a national agreement with selected amateurs across the nation. There is even an amateur radio station in the Pentagon on the top floor with antennas on the Pentagon roof. That station in particular came thru on 9/11.

    Every hurricane has resulted in some loss of communication. Amateur radio has always provided local communication as well as emergency services communication during those kinds of disasters. I could go on and on with more examples.

    For the State Of California to reach the conclusion that amateur radio technology and system of communication is no longer necessary or is outdated is total liberal progressive posturing. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many amateur radio experimenters are degreed engineers and have actually had a great deal to do with the advancements of cell phone and internet technology. Amateur radio continues to contribute to the very latest in communication advancements. HAM radio has over a dozen types of communication modes, meaning if one mode of communication is a problem they can switch to an alternative mode of communication.

    The International Space Station maintains an amateur radio station on board and several if not all of the US astronauts are licensed amateurs. Private amateur radio clubs own amateur radio satellites and the dozen or more amateur radio satellites are open for use by any licensed radio amateur. This is not just boys playing with their toy walkie talkies. This is a serious non government financed system of local and global communication owned by each amateur radio operator. Combined we have an amazing cooperative system of backup communication.

    My opinion is, California dislikes the idea of something like this existing where it is not under the direct control of their socialistic communist government system. They can't shut it down. People can freely communicate and California has not control over that communication. Lots of preppers as well as many milita groups opt for HAM radio. I own and operate several highly portable radios myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    I am a licensed amateur (HAM) radio operator and a longstanding member of the Amateur Radio Relay League, a national organization for HAM operators. Here is my opinion on this new California regulation.

    California is not outlawing amateur operators or operations. California is disbanding all cooperation between California emergency agencies as well as making life difficult for those who operate radio repeaters and repeater antennas located on government property. This of course is stupid because amateur radio has been and continues to be almost essential in times of emergency. Amateur radio is private. Operators own their own radios and equipment. There is zero cost to the government. In addition, many operators have backup emergency power systems so they can operate when and long after the utility power is gone.

    Amateur operators are able to communicate when no other communication mode can. Operators and local amateur radio clubs have emergency agreements with and practice with local government fire, sheriff and police departments as well as other government agencies. Even the military has a national agreement with selected amateurs across the nation. There is even an amateur radio station in the Pentagon on the top floor with antennas on the Pentagon roof. That station in particular came thru on 9/11.

    Every hurricane has resulted in some loss of communication. Amateur radio has always provided local communication as well as emergency services communication during those kinds of disasters. I could go on and on with more examples.

    For the State Of California to reach the conclusion that amateur radio technology and system of communication is no longer necessary or is outdated is total liberal progressive posturing. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many amateur radio experimenters are degreed engineers and have actually had a great deal to do with the advancements of cell phone and internet technology. Amateur radio continues to contribute to the very latest in communication advancements. HAM radio has over a dozen types of communication modes, meaning if one mode of communication is a problem they can switch to an alternative mode of communication.

    The International Space Station maintains an amateur radio station on board and several if not all of the US astronauts are licensed amateurs. Private amateur radio clubs own amateur radio satellites and the dozen or more amateur radio satellites are open for use by any licensed radio amateur. This is not just boys playing with their toy walkie talkies. This is a serious non government financed system of local and global communication owned by each amateur radio operator. Combined we have an amazing cooperative system of backup communication.

    My opinion is, California dislikes the idea of something like this existing where it is not under the direct control of their socialistic communist government system. They can't shut it down. People can freely communicate and California has not control over that communication. Lots of preppers as well as many milita groups opt for HAM radio. I own and operate several highly portable radios myself.
    IMO... this is why CA is doing these stupid things...

    We really need that earthquake that will split CA off from the USA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    IMO... this is why CA is doing these stupid things...

    We really need that earthquake that will split CA off from the USA...
    That said, it is not possible to stop radio amateurs from communicating. In addition, there is a network of radio amateurs across the US and Canada who not only have the equipment but have regular practice sessions in case of an emergency. Amateurs are using the licensed frequencies on an hourly basis and clubs have nightly on the air meetings.

    The airwaves are open to anyone who has the gear and knowledge necessary to communicate. Radio amateurs in the states often contact and communicate with those in communist and socialist nonfree countries. Can't be stopped. California leftists hate this. Free and open communication, gee cant control that. Gotta do something about that. Take their firearms and radios! Nazi Germany did the same.
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Doesn’t sound like they (California) is doing any restricting. Just not paying for stuff ham operators use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobie View Post
    Doesn’t sound like they (California) is doing any restricting. Just not paying for stuff ham operators use.
    California never did pay for anything amateurs use. Radios, repeaters, everything amateurs use is privately owned. Amateurs were loaning the use of their stations and the labor to operate them to California emergency service agencies during emergencies. California (a particular liberal woman in Sacramento, unelected is behind this) is terminating any and all emergency cooperative agreements. In addition, if a private repeater is located on state property it must be removed. These repeaters have been jointly shared by the amateur radio clubs and the state for years and years via mutual cooperation. But, they were paid for and maintained by the private clubs at no cost to the government.

    The citizens of California are the losers on this. Especially in more remote areas where forest fires or other disasters may take place. Who would be so stupid as to kick out free emergency services paid for by the very citizens living in the affected area. This is the communications version of the local voluntary fire department.
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    Hugh, I don’t know nothing about this. But doubt you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Just move your stuff to your property???

    Or forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobie View Post
    Hugh, I don’t know nothing about this. But doubt you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Just move your stuff to your property???

    Or forget about it.
    You don't know what a repeater is do you.
    Why would you want to repeat at source?



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    Anyone else here in ARP a licensed amateur radio operator?
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    I am, and have been repairing Ham radios locally for a long time. My tower came down due to the 200mph hurricane, but soon as it gets cooler, I'm going to put it back up.

    Roy
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    I am, and have been repairing Ham radios locally for a long time. My tower came down due to the 200mph hurricane, but soon as it gets cooler, I'm going to put it back up.

    Roy
    Sorry about the loss of your tower. Not many of us have a tower. I use repeaters a lot and have never been on HF. Remain on 2 meters mostly and carry an HT with me most of the time. Put a "signal stick" on my Yaesu FT 60r and can hit most repeaters within 20 miles. With a magmount on a car I can usually hit repeaters out to 25 miles. Of course, when hitting a linked repeater I can talk across the state or much further. Fun hobby and a useful one. Great for emergency communications and a wonderful way to learn more about electronics. Actually quite related to hvac controls! Or, controls in general now that so much has gone wireless. Wanna learn more about wireless and electronics? Become an amateur radio operator.

    Roy, what gear do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    Sorry about the loss of your tower. Not many of us have a tower. I use repeaters a lot and have never been on HF. Remain on 2 meters mostly and carry an HT with me most of the time. Put a "signal stick" on my Yaesu FT 60r and can hit most repeaters within 20 miles. With a magmount on a car I can usually hit repeaters out to 25 miles. Of course, when hitting a linked repeater I can talk across the state or much further. Fun hobby and a useful one. Great for emergency communications and a wonderful way to learn more about electronics. Actually quite related to hvac controls! Or, controls in general now that so much has gone wireless. Wanna learn more about wireless and electronics? Become an amateur radio operator.

    Roy, what gear do you have?
    Lol. Man I have to look around, got so much stuff I'm forgetting the makes and models, need to look.... Due to the hurricane my shop is so screwed up, half the stuff I got, I'm not sure where and what box I put it in. lol

    My hf rig is a Yaesu FT-757 GX, I have several dual band mobile rigs. The one that was in my service van, is an Alinco dual bander that can do a lot more then dual lol, not going to state what, but you may know what I'm talking about, it been opened up.

    Got some Kenwood stuff, cant remember if its single or dual whatever. Also got a sideband vhf with and amp that I really liked, I for some reason like sideband.

    Maybe one day I will get over this dang hurricane stuff. I got lucky, I have a hurricane home that survived with no damage, some small crap like the rain gutters came off, but actually consider what others around here are going trough, I'm not even going to complain.

    And its been so dang hot, I'm doing only whats absolutely needs to be done, like cutting the grass lol.

    That reminds me, a while ago purchased an electric riding mower, as many of you know, I'm going electric, another subject to talk about later.

    I'm just hoping that I live long enough to get all the stuff done. Sometimes I think I'm over my head, but hey, such is life.

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    Hugh is spot on: many amateur radio experimenters are degreed engineers and have actually had a great deal to do with the advancements of cell phone and internet technology. Amateur radio continues to contribute to the very latest in communication advancements. HAM radio has over a dozen types of communication modes, meaning if one mode of communication is a problem they can switch to an alternative mode of communication.

    I would add that many advancements in medical technology has resulted from amateur radio operator’s experiments as well. Not allot of mechanical engineers in the hobby, but a boat load of E.E’s.

    Back on topic, lessons are not learned by short sighted policy makers. After Katrina the policy makers admitted they made an error by dismissing the Ham Radio community as being obsolete. Fortunately, those of us that are actively involved in emergency communications practice our craft and are equipped with “go boxes” with antennas, radios, coax, generators etc.

    I am not aware of any club or group that relies on repeaters as sole means of communication. That would be unwise. That is why they practice using Simplex on VHF and UHF frequencies. A disadvantage to VHF and UHF is that it is line of sight. You can communicate hundreds, and even thousands of miles with VHF but the conditions and equipment need to be right. Heck, there are groups of operators that bounce VHF signals off the moon to the other side of the world. The ole Moon Bounce they call it. Other ham guys operate satellites routinely. Though I have plenty of VHF and UHF equipment I am an HF guy where I am not limited by line of sight, but atmospheric conditions. Propagation is an unpredictable thing. Some days I can hear someone 25 miles out and cant hear Europe or South America. Other times it is the opposite. That’s why we practice passing messages using relay stations. I guess we are human repeaters. It’s not as easy as it sounds to pass traffic, as we call it.

    I hope you get your equipment back up and going Roy. If you do, give me shout out. I am on 3937kc at 0200 zulu almost every night. 75M propagation has been really long on some nights and I have been hearing NY and CT more than once. I have been rebuilding old vacuum tube ham radios for a number of years. It is allot of fun and I can leave my door open in the shack during the winter and my Swan Mark II linear keeps the room just about right with those two 3-500Z tubes glowing red. LOL. Another advantage to vacuum tube equipment is that they are not subject to an EMF event like the solid state equipment is...or so I have been told. I should verify that. I would hate to lose my K3 during and EMF event but I am not going to put in a Faraday cage either.

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