View Poll Results: Please Choose Your Average Award Per Injured/Killed Person:

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  • $10,000

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  • $100,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I have a few minutes so I will punch a few keys. Hey Glenn, what are the benefits of new windows. Bet you can't even name three.

    Oh, and a house of new windows is typically less than one of your new HVAC units installed. When the energy savings on new windows will likely exceed the energy savings between new and old HVAC units. So who's selling what? And, I'm an installer, not a salesman. They come to me. I don't advertise or use the internet to promote my business at all.

    There, I gave you more information about me to bash me over. Bash on!
    With all due respect GC, I have never "bashed" you but have disagreed with you on various occasions and posted my rebuttal respectfully and on some occasions I have agreed with you and have given you a few likes even.

    Now I disagree big time with your statement above in bold. Sure if I sold and installed a top of the line Carrier, Lenox, etc. system with all the bells and whistles it would be a long time to see any savings cost wise but you will get the added comfort associated with it.

    However if I installed a basic system with my low overhead and reasonable profit factored in, I can show a payback in just a few years especially if the old unit was a 10 Seer or less and the new unit was a 14 SEER.

    I don't think you can say that for your windows. May I suggest that you look into bicycle insurance for your bike and medical similar to motorcycle insurance since you plan on continuing to ride and in the same matter as you are accustom to. Yeah. Thank you, thank you very much.
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    Unless someone can convince me that the hotel promoted their location as a shooting spree paradise, I see them innocent of any liability. The 800 million was a generous offer to manage the optics of a tragic event and I'd imagine the recipients signed a document with strings attached.... indemnifying the hotel from any legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I have a few minutes so I will punch a few keys. Hey Glenn, what are the benefits of new windows. Bet you can't even name three.

    Oh, and a house of new windows is typically less than one of your new HVAC units installed. When the energy savings on new windows will likely exceed the energy savings between new and old HVAC units. So who's selling what? And, I'm an installer, not a salesman. They come to me. I don't advertise or use the internet to promote my business at all.

    There, I gave you more information about me to bash me over. Bash on!
    Must be cheap windows...I have about 20 windows ... how much to replace them with the latest and greatest?

    I will side with you that good windows are a good investment...bet they are expensive



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    This was a real incident to me yet you are posting about it as much, or more, than me?
    You missed his point GC.
    Let me add...I can see why you think you may have got paid...as some people do....fact is most don't GC...You hear about the cases where people make out like a bandit..That's news...rest of em aren't.
    Move on....you tried you lost...Had you won it would have been the defense that got screwed.


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    I need 4 new windows... off the bat. Gonna hit em heavy with some caulk and paint here in the next month... try and buy some time.

    Addition to the house... so they aint old windows... just cheap... and the guy who did the windows... probably not top notch..
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    I think the big problem with GC is that he is a sells man. He believes he can sell ice cream to an Eskimo and the same shows on his suit against the trucking company. His business is selling very expensive energy efficient replacement windows to rich customers.

    GC sells the windows on their energy efficiency saving the customers money etc. Well those energy efficient windows would take at least two expected lifetimes to break even.

    Well I guess he then thinks that he could sell the jury on a big award from the trucking company but they weren't buying like no matter how eloquently he presented his case on the trucking company not obeying all the regulations. Arrogance in spades IMHO.

    He couldn't sell it because of the fact that they had a flashing arrow on back of the truck that could be seen at least a thousand feet away and that all he had to do is look up once instead of at the pavement a few feet and front of him and he would have not had the accident.

    Just like we here aren't buying it. Give it a rest GC you would have better luck selling ice cream to Eskimos and selling expensive windows to your yuppie customers than to a jury like here on ARP. Yeah. Thank you, thank you very much
    It was a long shot and he lost...he could have had five grand but refused it .
    According to GC the other rider was tailgating.
    GC didn't use the universal braking arm gesture...nor did he use the signal gesture with his arm... ignoring the rules of the road..
    He stared down at the ground with his custom riding style... His riding style was a danger to the public.
    He was speeding for his custom riding style.
    Refused to obey temporary traffic signs.
    Collided with a stopped emergency vehicle.
    The other rider says he saw the truck...but yet crashed anyway.
    The manual he references harms his case rather than helps it.
    Winning would have been a long shot...but it was a shot he was willing to try and lose five grand offer while trying....Heck I may have tried too...five grand don't go far where he is at.. I think he stated his bike cost that much and was badly damaged...So the bike.
    Medical bills...lost time from work.. partially handicapped hand....he was going to be in the hole with the five grand
    He really expected to win...as people do win worst cases sometimes....but we don't hear about all the losing cases.
    He is still pretty down about it and alot of time has passed... He has to let it go...Mark it down as experience and move on.




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    The truth of what happened at LV...
    Was in the Trump news thread that vanished when H-talk crashed...
    It has more to do with a Saudi prince that was an internal fugutive...
    LONG story, GA does not remember all the details.

    Personal opinion about the poll:
    Depending on WHO was found to be accountable...
    NOT some whimsical jury looking to find some free $$$

    A criminal needs to be held accountable!
    Ripping off a corporation due to spinning circumstances...
    Is NOT justice!
    It is GREED!

    And GA says:
    If a person does not know the difference...
    They are mentally SICK!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    The truth of what happened at LV...
    Was in the Trump news thread that vanished when H-talk crashed...
    It has more to do with a Saudi prince that was an internal fugutive...
    LONG story, GA does not remember all the details.

    Personal opinion about the poll:
    Depending on WHO was found to be accountable...
    NOT some whimsical jury looking to find some free $$$

    A criminal needs to be held accountable!
    Ripping off a corporation due to spinning circumstances...
    Is NOT justice!
    It is GREED!

    And GA says:
    If a person does not know the difference...
    They are mentally SICK!
    Crazy isn't it.... some whacko sneaks rifles in suit cases and shoot people and it's the hotels fault
    Maybe the hotel should sue the suitcase MFG for manufacturing suit cases large enough to hold rifles.
    They could sue the rifle MFG for having rifles small enough to fit in their suitcases.
    Come to think of it...those windows at the hotel were not supposed to be breakable....the installer is at fault for installing windows that failed to meet just that I assume he was a professional window installer and should be held to a high standard.... professional and all.... None of this would have happened had the window installer installed proper windows



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    On October 1, 2017 a tragedy took place at Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel. There were 52 killed and 422 wounded. MGM just agreed to pay $800 million dollars to the surviving families and the wounded to avoid a trial.

    According to the previous ARP Survey, large corporations do not have to follow safety protocols, can break laws, disregard safety regs, can operate without permits, can lie in court, can deny all culpability and ARP will not ask them to pay a dime when people are seriously injured as a result. But the MGM Tragedy is different than Brian GC's case in that:

    1) The injured/killed are made up of red-blooded Americans. Not disliked cyclists.

    2) The corporation (MGM) is a sleazy corp. (a fat, gambling, rip-off corp.)

    3) The MGM did nothing significantly wrong. They operated with the same safety standards as any other casino. They broke no laws or established safely guidelines and practiced reasonable awareness.

    4) The victims did nothing wrong either, where I did contribute to my injuries.

    SO!!! Are you sixteen guys going to force MGM to pay those folks $800 million dollars, when MGM did nothing wrong? Or, are you going to tell those families and folks to bone-off and take their lumps like you told that cyclist (me)?

    The Jury cannot consider whether the Defendant has insurance or not. And, these are compensatory damages, not punitive.

    Please wait a few days for a little discussion before voting.
    Nobody is responsible except the mad-man shooter. That is my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Nobody is responsible except the mad-man shooter. That is my opinion.
    More black and white, caveman thinking.

    Is there nothing the hotel could have done to better their security to keep that guy from using their room as a shooting perch? Do they not have total control of their building, rooms and security?

    So the hotel was helpless and is not even 5% liable? Too confusing for folks here to apply percentages of fault even when the damages are in the hundreds of millions? Not one dollar of fault, huh?

    I don't believe any of you guys who say zero liability if it was your wife or daughter that was slaughtered like a pig. I believe you have a set of standards for the public and another for yourselves. And it's generally 'F' the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    More black and white, caveman thinking.

    Is there nothing the hotel could have done to better their security to keep that guy from using their room as a shooting perch? Do they not have total control of their building, rooms and security?

    So the hotel was helpless and is not even 5% liable? Too confusing for folks here to apply percentages of fault even when the damages are in the hundreds of millions? Not one dollar of fault, huh?

    I don't believe any of you guys who say zero liability if it was your wife or daughter that was slaughtered like a pig. I believe you have a set of standards for the public and another for yourselves. And it's generally 'F' the public.
    The hotel did nothing wrong...some guy put rifles in suitcases went to his room..broke out a window and shot people... they did not sponsor the shooter.
    Obviously those unbreakable windows were able to be broken...so whoever put in the windows is at fault...if you don't want to blame it all on the shooter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    More black and white, caveman thinking.

    Is there nothing the hotel could have done to better their security to keep that guy from using their room as a shooting perch? Do they not have total control of their building, rooms and security?

    So the hotel was helpless and is not even 5% liable? Too confusing for folks here to apply percentages of fault even when the damages are in the hundreds of millions? Not one dollar of fault, huh?

    I don't believe any of you guys who say zero liability if it was your wife or daughter that was slaughtered like a pig. I believe you have a set of standards for the public and another for yourselves. And it's generally 'F' the public.
    Do you believe that any organization can do anything to 100% guard against such events? As is said, locks are for honest people. An enterprising thief (or, in this case, shooter) will find a way. That's not to say that an organization that serves the public (in this case, a hotel) shouldn't take reasonable precautions.

    But if you believe that anything short of a Fort Knox style security will stop a determined shooter, you're missing the reality.

    Additionally, do we really want to put this kind of burden on businesses that serve the public? The cost involved? If we hold one legally responsible, all businesses fall victim to either lawsuits or prohibitive security expenses.

    No. If reasonable precautions are taken, it's all that can be expected in a free society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    Do you believe that any organization can do anything to 100% guard against such events? As is said, locks are for honest people. An enterprising thief (or, in this case, shooter) will find a way. That's not to say that an organization that serves the public (in this case, a hotel) shouldn't take reasonable precautions.

    But if you believe that anything short of a Fort Knox style security will stop a determined shooter, you're missing the reality.

    Additionally, do we really want to put this kind of burden on businesses that serve the public? The cost involved? If we hold one legally responsible, all businesses fall victim to either lawsuits or prohibitive security expenses.

    No. If reasonable precautions are taken, it's all that can be expected in a free society.
    I do not agree. I believe those hotels choose the amount of security they are willing to use. Could you get a single gun into a concert? No way! Can you get a gun into a fair? No way! Can you get one past TSA? No way! Can you get one into a State or Federal building. No way! So if a business, large or small, wants to keep guns out, they can. The Vegas hotels are choosing not to. They have chosen their level of security and it is minimal which could be easily proven in court.

    Also, this is not a legal issue. It is a civil issue and strictly determined by juries. If 9 out of 12 decide the hotel should pay, they will pay.

    If a contractor screwed up and mis-wired an electrical box, started a fire and killed a few dozen people and taps out the contractors insurance coverage, who pays the extra costs? The hotel does. An employee goes nuts and kills a guest, who pays? The hotel does. If a chandelier falls and kills a baby, who pays? The hotel does. If a man walks in with a machete and takes a guests heads off, who pays? The hotel does. A motorist drives through the front window and kills a few people and only has 15/30 minimum insurance, who will supplement those costs? The hotel does. If there is one ounce of negligence on the hotel's part, they will pay. And there was definitely negligence on the hotels part because if they wanted to keep guns out of their building, plenty of businesses have shown them how to do that. They just choose not to.

    If I leave debris on the sidewalk and a pedestrian trips and gets hurt, who pays? I do. If it happened at work my business liability will pay. If I run into a Porsche on my bike, my HO insurance pays because my bike is part of my house.

    I was in Vegas last weekend. They have installed 12" x 48" steel posts everywhere a pedestrian can be run down by a motor vehicle. IMO, they did this because if another mow-down occurred, they would be liable for not taking all steps to protect the victims.

    I'm just telling you how these things are determined in court and why The Mandalay Bay insurance company is willing to pay 3/4 of a billion dollars. It's not only to protect their image. It's because they would lose in court.

    So if Tool or Glenn had a son killed that night, and it was proven that the hotel was indeed negligent and owed, they'd quickly have their hands out for that $1.6M. They are just acting like good conservatives because they have no dog in the hunt.

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