View Poll Results: Please Choose Your Average Award Per Injured/Killed Person:

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  • $10,000

    1 7.69%
  • $50,000

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  • $100,000

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  • $500,000

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  • $1,000,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post
    Perhaps there yes.
    Here the honk is more for....hey you about got us all killed.

    Have I ever had that honk done to me...Once..I then realized my error..the quick chill I will always remember it.. without that honk I wouldn't have known and been more apt to make that same mistake again.
    GC if a person his getting honked at alot... pretty good indication they are not a good driver.....and as we see here you want the blame the guy with the horn rather than the idiot that gets honked at.




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    I get honked at every day all day. I can't get off my street without getting honked at. I'm also the worst motorist on the road too. A total retard and you caught me red handed.

    Oh, and it is never my fault either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I get honked at every day all day. I can't get off my street without getting honked at. I'm also the worst motorist on the road too. A total retard and you caught me red handed.

    Oh, and it is never my fault either.
    Thats rough... those jerks!!!
    Need to sue the horn manufacturers !!!
    They knew people would honk with em... right ?


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    In other words, OJ won because they tried to frame a guilty man.


    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post
    Did OJ do it? More than likely.
    OJ won because of the states own actions.
    Alot of that blood was found to have preservatives in it...which means after they drew blood from OJ they started putting in places to help the states case.. Several detectives were caught not telling the truth as well the list goes on.
    The state lost all credibility in court




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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    In other words, OJ won because they tried to frame a guilty man.
    Exactly.


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    This question assumes facts not in evidence.

    Right or Wrong are not at issue.
    Nor is Responsibility or Liability.
    Even Law is secondary.

    What is involved is ONLY whatever emotional response that lawyers can implant in the juror's minds. That is the point that you are idealistically missing or ignoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    On October 1, 2017 a tragedy took place at Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel. There were 52 killed and 422 wounded. MGM just agreed to pay $800 million dollars to the surviving families and the wounded to avoid a trial.

    According to the previous ARP Survey, large corporations do not have to follow safety protocols, can break laws, disregard safety regs, can operate without permits, can lie in court, can deny all culpability and ARP will not ask them to pay a dime when people are seriously injured as a result. But the MGM Tragedy is different than Brian GC's case in that:

    1) The injured/killed are made up of red-blooded Americans. Not disliked cyclists.

    2) The corporation (MGM) is a sleazy corp. (a fat, gambling, rip-off corp.)

    3) The MGM did nothing significantly wrong. They operated with the same safety standards as any other casino. They broke no laws or established safely guidelines and practiced reasonable awareness.

    4) The victims did nothing wrong either, where I did contribute to my injuries.

    SO!!! Are you sixteen guys going to force MGM to pay those folks $800 million dollars, when MGM did nothing wrong? Or, are you going to tell those families and folks to bone-off and take their lumps like you told that cyclist (me)?

    The Jury cannot consider whether the Defendant has insurance or not. And, these are compensatory damages, not punitive.

    Please wait a few days for a little discussion before voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    This question assumes facts not in evidence.

    Right or Wrong are not at issue.
    Nor is Responsibility or Liability.
    Even Law is secondary.

    What is involved is ONLY whatever emotional response that lawyers can implant in the juror's minds. That is the point that you are idealistically missing or ignoring.

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    But how does a lawyer begin planting those emotional responses? By telling the jury that the Casino had a responsibility to protect their patrons, and they failed to do so. The casino would lose during opening statements.

    Do you doubt that the plaintiff's lawyers could be successful in a trial if MGM chose to go that route?

    There are not enough people that think like the ARP Jury for the MGM to hang their hat on. The ARP Jury does not care about laws, regulations, professional responsibility, perosnal injuries, hardships, loss of income, loss of life or the difference between a civilian and hotel security...nothing. They just don't like personal injury lawsuits so they won't vote for any award 90% of the time. I'm surprised they are not marching to shut down the VA Hospitals by saying "They knew the risks going in, so screw em."

    Like what my Judge said, "Orange County (conservative) Juries can be heartless." But there are not enough heartless people out there.

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    Points or questions I've stated or asked previously:

    What is the industry standard? What were other hotels doing to screen baggage? Were there any warnings in their trade magazines or other publications? Has there been changes to the way hotels screen baggage?

    I think you're missing a huge point on this one, and that is:
    How do you screen for whackos?


    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    But how does a lawyer begin planting those emotional responses? By telling the jury that the Casino had a responsibility to protect their patrons, and they failed to do so. The casino would lose during opening statements.

    Do you doubt that the plaintiff's lawyers could be successful in a trial if MGM chose to go that route?

    There are not enough people that think like the ARP Jury for the MGM to hang their hat on. The ARP Jury does not care about laws, regulations, professional responsibility, perosnal injuries, hardships, loss of income, loss of life or the difference between a civilian and hotel security...nothing. They just don't like personal injury lawsuits so they won't vote for any award 90% of the time. I'm surprised they are not marching to shut down the VA Hospitals by saying "They knew the risks going in, so screw em."

    Like what my Judge said, "Orange County (conservative) Juries can be heartless." But there are not enough heartless people out there.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    But how does a lawyer begin planting those emotional responses? By telling the jury that the Casino had a responsibility to protect their patrons, and they failed to do so. The casino would lose during opening statements.

    Do you doubt that the plaintiff's lawyers could be successful in a trial if MGM chose to go that route?

    There are not enough people that think like the ARP Jury for the MGM to hang their hat on. The ARP Jury does not care about laws, regulations, professional responsibility, perosnal injuries, hardships, loss of income, loss of life or the difference between a civilian and hotel security...nothing. They just don't like personal injury lawsuits so they won't vote for any award 90% of the time. I'm surprised they are not marching to shut down the VA Hospitals by saying "They knew the risks going in, so screw em."

    Like what my Judge said, "Orange County (conservative) Juries can be heartless." But there are not enough heartless people out there.
    They're not alone. And PI Lawyers and lawsuit happy individuals have only themselves to blame for abusing an industry that was designed to legitimately call parties/companies into accountability. But Personal Injury law has been corrupted by the greedy, deadbeats and 'get rich quick' artists.

    That's not to say that there aren't legitimate reasons for these lawsuits. There are. How else are those who would profit at the expense of others to be held accountable? The "reason" has, in most cases, left the field of PI Law. But the key element is "reasonable care". In the case of Mandalay Bay, you seem to expect beyond that which is reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Points or questions I've stated or asked previously:

    What is the industry standard? What were other hotels doing to screen baggage? Were there any warnings in their trade magazines or other publications? Has there been changes to the way hotels screen baggage?

    I think you're missing a huge point on this one, and that is:
    How do you screen for whackos?
    The same way the County Fair does.

    It doesn't matter if every casino chooses to put their patrons in danger to offer a relaxed INGRESS/EGRESS. It is the chance they chose to take...that the County Fair and TSA choose not to take.

    Do you really think the casino could win a trial. IMO, only if they had an ARP Jury, which are few and far between.

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    The majority of compensatory awards ( and lawyers incomes) are the result of risk/cost//benefit analysis - not jury decisions.

    500 people directly involved at MGM event. That's a million-six per person. Most people would have to think a good while before deciding to risk that offer in a possibly all-or-nothing court room.

    In general I don't think that 'ARP Jury' is any of the does-not-care things you state. Rather; I think they just don't like your position. Especially as it was presented.

    While reading it the basic legal tenet of 'unclean hands' came to my mind. You came with bias and prejudice and asked for Justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    But how does a lawyer begin planting those emotional responses? By telling the jury that the Casino had a responsibility to protect their patrons, and they failed to do so. The casino would lose during opening statements.

    Do you doubt that the plaintiff's lawyers could be successful in a trial if MGM chose to go that route?

    There are not enough people that think like the ARP Jury for the MGM to hang their hat on. The ARP Jury does not care about laws, regulations, professional responsibility, perosnal injuries, hardships, loss of income, loss of life or the difference between a civilian and hotel security...nothing. They just don't like personal injury lawsuits so they won't vote for any award 90% of the time. I'm surprised they are not marching to shut down the VA Hospitals by saying "They knew the risks going in, so screw em."

    Like what my Judge said, "Orange County (conservative) Juries can be heartless." But there are not enough heartless people out there.
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    Let's say someone has several guns in their baggage. And an x-ray machine picks them up. That guest is questioned. He says he's going to a gun show. What do you as hotel management do?


    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    The same way the County Fair does.

    It doesn't matter if every casino chooses to put their patrons in danger to offer a relaxed INGRESS/EGRESS. It is the chance they chose to take...that the County Fair and TSA choose not to take.

    Do you really think the casino could win a trial. IMO, only if they had an ARP Jury, which are few and far between.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

    Did you really need the " If you were a real tech " ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    They're not alone. And PI Lawyers and lawsuit happy individuals have only themselves to blame for abusing an industry that was designed to legitimately call parties/companies into accountability. But Personal Injury law has been corrupted by the greedy, deadbeats and 'get rich quick' artists.

    That's not to say that there aren't legitimate reasons for these lawsuits. There are. How else are those who would profit at the expense of others to be held accountable? The "reason" has, in most cases, left the field of PI Law. But the key element is "reasonable care". In the case of Mandalay Bay, you seem to expect beyond that which is reasonable.
    Insurance companies have forced us to hire lawyers because they lowball without them.

    I was just in Vegas and they are not checking anything at their doors. Is it still unreasonable to inspect large bags?

    MGM is losing $49M on this whole claim. Do you really think they care at all or will change their lax policies? Not a chance. However the City did change their behavior by putting up 12" x 48" steel posts to protect the pedestrians. Was that huge outlay unreasonable?

    These casinos are not going to inconvenience their patrons at the front door. A whole building would have to come down before they did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    The majority of compensatory awards ( and lawyers incomes) are the result of risk/cost//benefit analysis - not jury decisions.
    The jury decides everything down to the last dollar.

    500 people directly involved at MGM event. That's a million-six per person. Most people would have to think a good while before deciding to risk that offer in a possibly all-or-nothing court room.
    2000 people are filing claims so the number is much less than that. The cost of the trial, the calculating, the uncertainty, the value of a life, the value of one's lifelong care and loss of income. I think 2000 lawyers could get more.

    In general I don't think that 'ARP Jury' is any of the does-not-care things you state. Rather; I think they just don't like your position. Especially as it was presented.
    They could not get past the fact that I did not see the truck sooner. They had their culprit and would not consider that more warning would have helped me see that truck. That directing me into 70mph traffic would have startled anyone.

    While reading it the basic legal tenet of 'unclean hands' came to my mind. You came with bias and prejudice and asked for Justice.
    But wasn't the truck company just as biased and prejudice toward me?

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