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    ARP THE JURY: What Would You Pay the Victims of the Mandalay Bay Tragedy

    On October 1, 2017 a tragedy took place at Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel. There were 52 killed and 422 wounded. MGM just agreed to pay $800 million dollars to the surviving families and the wounded to avoid a trial.

    According to the previous ARP Survey, large corporations do not have to follow safety protocols, can break laws, disregard safety regs, can operate without permits, can lie in court, can deny all culpability and ARP will not ask them to pay a dime when people are seriously injured as a result. But the MGM Tragedy is different than Brian GC's case in that:

    1) The injured/killed are made up of red-blooded Americans. Not disliked cyclists.

    2) The corporation (MGM) is a sleazy corp. (a fat, gambling, rip-off corp.)

    3) The MGM did nothing significantly wrong. They operated with the same safety standards as any other casino. They broke no laws or established safely guidelines and practiced reasonable awareness.

    4) The victims did nothing wrong either, where I did contribute to my injuries.

    SO!!! Are you sixteen guys going to force MGM to pay those folks $800 million dollars, when MGM did nothing wrong? Or, are you going to tell those families and folks to bone-off and take their lumps like you told that cyclist (me)?

    The Jury cannot consider whether the Defendant has insurance or not. And, these are compensatory damages, not punitive.

    Please wait a few days for a little discussion before voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    On October 1, 2017 a tragedy took place at Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel. There were 52 killed and 422 wounded. MGM just agreed to pay $800 million dollars to the surviving families and the wounded to avoid a trial.

    According to the previous ARP Survey, large corporations do not have to follow safety protocols, can break laws, disregard safety regs, can operate without permits, can lie in court, can deny all culpability and ARP will not ask them to pay a dime when people are hurt as a result. But the MGM Tragedy is different than Brian GC's case in that:

    1) The injured/killed are made up of red-blooded Americans. Not disliked cyclists.

    2) The corporation (MGM) is a sleazy corp. (a fat, gambling, rip-off corp.)

    3) The MGM did nothing significantly wrong. They operated with the same safety standards as any other casino. They broke no laws or established safely guidelines and practiced reasonable awareness.

    4) The victims did nothing wrong either, where I did contribute to my injuries.

    SO!!! Are you sixteen guys going to force MGM to pay those folks $800 million dollars, when MGM did nothing wrong? Or, are you going to tell those families and folks to bone-off and take their lumps like you told that cyclist (me)?

    The Jury cannot consider whether the Defendant has insurance or not. And, these are compensatory damages, not punitive.

    Please wait a few days for a little discussion before voting.
    With all due respect, this has been presented in a 'loaded' fashion. Would it not be better to present the facts of this event and discuss, not have it already tainted by the last Court case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    With all due respect, this has been presented in a 'loaded' fashion. Would it not be better to present the facts of this event and discuss, not have it already tainted by the last Court case?
    No Lahrs. I am bringing this up in direct contrast to the votes in my case. I am testing the bias, consistency and fairness of the votes of my ARP Jury.

    Mainly, I was never told why by the ARP Jury that when a company breaks laws and regs, that they are not held liable for that. With that as a basis, I want to know if they give that same leniency to the MGM Grand and give them a pass too as in zero liability?

    Oh, and I made this a public poll.

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    How in the world is this comparable?? For starters there is a thing called public relations... what bad press was the insurance company going to get with your case? Not to mention the other litany of differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidadavis View Post
    How in the world is this comparable?? For starters there is a thing called public relations... what bad press was the insurance company going to get with your case? Not to mention the other litany of differences.
    I did not ask anyone if they agree with the MGM offer because we know what their motivation is.

    I was judged strictly on what was right in the minds and hearts of the ARP Jury. Right?

    I am requesting the same now...devoid of political correctness or what MGM thinks is best for their company.

    I want the same barometer that was used on me to be used on them.

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    Nothing. Wasn’t the motels fault that guy went nuts.

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    If I remember correctly there was some evidence that he was a Muslim convert and that his "girl friend" left the country to Asia somewhere before that terrorist started shooting everyone.

    I don't think that the hotel is required to do a FBI type of background check on everyone booking a room for one night or one week. What would you expect the hotel to do that they didn't do GC?

    I think possibly the compensation by the feds given to the victims family's of 911 and the injured who survived could be considered and like in the Boston Marathon race also.

    I think this is a very poor comparison there GC. Here the victims were completely innocent along with the hotel IMHO. Please explain the relevancy here? I don't have a clue. Geez. Give me a break. Yeah. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    If I remember correctly there was some evidence that he was a Muslim convert and that his "girl friend" left the country to Asia somewhere before that terrorist started shooting everyone.

    I don't think that the hotel is required to do a FBI type of background check on everyone booking a room for one night or one week. What would you expect the hotel to do that they didn't do GC?
    I don't expect that either and I was just in Vegas last weekend. There is a flow of people everywhere with very little security. When they place profit and convenience before general security, they must be willing to pay for that negligence.

    I think possibly the compensation by the feds given to the victims family's of 911 and the injured who survived could be considered and like in the Boston Marathon race also.

    I think this is a very poor comparison there GC. Here the victims were completely innocent along with the hotel IMHO. Please explain the relevancy here? I don't have a clue. Geez. Give me a break. Yeah. Thank you, thank you very much
    The connection I was threading together is if you guys would say MGM owes the victims nothing...and it seems that is what you are saying.

    I am not sure if they owe the victims nothing because a crime was committed on their property and he did walk right past their security on many occasions toting those guns up to his room. So the MGM is not without any negligence, but it is minimal. Therefore they should pay something but not an average $1.6M each.

    I just wanted to see if you guys would say zero to the victims, and it seems that is what three of you have said already. So now I expect the rest of you to follow and say zero too. But I do not agree with zero. It was their policy that allowed him to do that, so they own that lack of security.

    Again, it is a case of comparative negligence. IMO, professional companies that we entrust with our safety, just like that road crew, must be without any negligence to be completely let off the hook. You guys did not do that in my case. You let the road crew slide 100% when their noses were not clean.

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    GC you should have been riding your bike outside the Mandalay Bay Hotel when you got injured. You would then be completely innocent of the injury and have garnered a lot more sympathy for yourself.

    In fact we might even had a memorial thread set up in your honor on your passing or if you were severely injured while riding to a great country music show. We all might have even thrown in a couple of bucks for you there GC as you were completely innocent beyond any doubt.

    Yeah, think about it. Ok I couldn't resist there but I am playing on your theme here in your OP. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    GC you should have been riding your bike outside the Mandalay Bay Hotel when you got injured. You would then be completely innocent of the injury and have garnered a lot more sympathy for yourself.

    In fact we might even had a memorial thread set up in your honor on your passing or if you were severely injured while riding to a great country music show. We all might have even thrown in a couple of bucks for you there GC as you were completely innocent beyond any doubt.

    Yeah, think about it. Ok I couldn't resist there but I am playing on your theme here in your OP. Thank you, thank you very much
    But I'd still be guilty of being a stink'n cyclist. That alone would get me ejected from any award.

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    Where is the negligence?

    If there was negligence, then that means that other hotels are doing things to prevent such an event. What are the other hotels doing?

    What has Mandalay Bay done to change their procedures? Anything? If other hotels are doing things to prevent such an event, what are these things?

    Was there any mention on how to prevent a similar event in [hotel] trade magazines, seminars, or whatever?

    If there is no negligence, how could a jury award any monies to the victims?


    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I don't expect that either and I was just in Vegas last weekend. There is a flow of people everywhere with very little security. When they place profit and convenience before general security, they must be willing to pay for that negligence.



    The connection I was threading together is if you guys would say MGM owes the victims nothing...and it seems that is what you are saying.

    I am not sure if they owe the victims nothing because a crime was committed on their property and he did walk right past their security on many occasions toting those guns up to his room. So the MGM is not without any negligence, but it is minimal. Therefore they should pay something but not an average $1.6M each.

    I just wanted to see if you guys would say zero to the victims, and it seems that is what three of you have said already. So now I expect the rest of you to follow and say zero too. But I do not agree with zero. It was their policy that allowed him to do that, so they own that lack of security.

    Again, it is a case of comparative negligence. IMO, professional companies that we entrust with our safety, just like that road crew, must be without any negligence to be completely let off the hook. You guys did not do that in my case. You let the road crew slide 100% when their noses were not clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    On October 1, 2017 a tragedy took place at Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel. There were 52 killed and 422 wounded. MGM just agreed to pay $800 million dollars to the surviving families and the wounded to avoid a trial.

    According to the previous ARP Survey, large corporations do not have to follow safety protocols, can break laws, disregard safety regs, can operate without permits, can lie in court, can deny all culpability and ARP will not ask them to pay a dime when people are seriously injured as a result. But the MGM Tragedy is different than Brian GC's case in that:

    1) The injured/killed are made up of red-blooded Americans. Not disliked cyclists.

    2) The corporation (MGM) is a sleazy corp. (a fat, gambling, rip-off corp.)

    3) The MGM did nothing significantly wrong. They operated with the same safety standards as any other casino. They broke no laws or established safely guidelines and practiced reasonable awareness.

    4) The victims did nothing wrong either, where I did contribute to my injuries.

    SO!!! Are you sixteen guys going to force MGM to pay those folks $800 million dollars, when MGM did nothing wrong? Or, are you going to tell those families and folks to bone-off and take their lumps like you told that cyclist (me)?

    The Jury cannot consider whether the Defendant has insurance or not. And, these are compensatory damages, not punitive.

    Please wait a few days for a little discussion before voting.
    They should sue the dead guy



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I did not ask anyone if they agree with the MGM offer because we know what their motivation is.

    I was judged strictly on what was right in the minds and hearts of the ARP Jury. Right?

    I am requesting the same now...devoid of political correctness or what MGM thinks is best for their company.

    I want the same barometer that was used on me to be used on them.
    The shooter shot people...not the fault of MGM...it's the shooter that is at fault.
    You hit a parked vehicle that was visible from thousands of feet away.
    Now had this guy pulled up in a big truck with a sign saying I am going to shoot people when I get into the motel... and that was visible for thousands of feet to the hotel clerk...well then we might have something...but even then it could be a hoax...and she is not required to look thousands of feet..one thing for sure.. truck in front of you was no hoax....real deal.
    There was nothing that screamed from this guy that he was going to slaughter everyone....well actually there was but the govt didn't act on it ...so if anyone needs sued it's them.
    You there was a giant truck with a screaming arrow telling you to move over.
    So you want to sue...when you pay absolutely no attention to the very obvious....but think it's ok sue someone else that had something snuck past them which didn't have a giant sign I have guns,...which I do believe is legal there anyway.
    This thread is not going to go good for you GC



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