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    Quote Originally Posted by BNME8EZ View Post
    OR, Trump is used as the scapegoat for all the ills of the Dem party! Can you name one thing that Trump has done that is seen as a positive by the Dem party? Now think of all the things Trumps has been blamed for that the Dems actually did!

    Better yet , can you name one thing that Obama did that the republican’s saw as a positive?

    Pretty clear to see that both parties have been at each other’s throat for a while now and it seems to just keep getting worse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Better yet , can you name one thing that Obama did that the republican’s saw as a positive?

    Pretty clear to see that both parties have been at each other’s throat for a while now and it seems to just keep getting worse.



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    I can't say all but I think most Rep. saw the beer summit as a positive. They saw it as messiah Obama bringing to sides together that were divided over the race issue. The fact was it was a way for him to save face from opening mouth, insert foot on his part. Many approved of ACA until it passed and they saw the screwin they got. I would say most approved of Seal team six action that he authorized but at the same time think he screwed the pooch on Benghazi. I can almost guarantee that more GOP members approved of things Obama did than Dems that approve of Trump. It could be also that more rank and file Dems approve of Trumps action but they are hid by the media and congress.

    The 2020 election will tell the tale of how people really feel, assuming a fair election, and I only hold out a 50/50 chance of that. There are too many entities that hold sway over our elections for them to be an accurate number. I won't go so far as to say it affects major outcomes but minor congressional races, some governor races, state representatives, a lot of these being done by redistricting which is done by both sides. Also look at the difference in outcome will be in perception. Let's say Trump wins by a landslide instead of winning by a narrow margin. If he wins by a landslide I think most of the hearings will be over as he will have too much grassroots backing. On the other hand if it should be anything other than a large margin victory Congress will continue to obstruct him anyway they can. On the other side say Biden wins by a narrow margin he will get some push back from the GOP and if the results hold their may be some investigation into Hunter and Joe's influence but my guess that will be over before the election. If it is a landslide all the conservatives will leave and return in 5 years cleaning up the mess and starting over. AOC, Biden, Warren, Sanders, and California will spend this country into oblivion. Once the conservatives leave the ratio of working to leaches will be 1:2 maybe 1:3 rather than the 1:1 we have now. With 1 of 3 paying in and the increased spending it won't take long for the system to collapse especially after the rich liberals move business operations out of the country. Ok, just skidding about the conservatives moving out but in 5 years all the college grads will have diplomas in liberal arts and won't be able to find a job.

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    Can't remember if the Republicans saw it as a positive, but obummer did make some sort of legislation to help save the coral reefs around the Hawaiian islands. Can't remember exactly what it was, wasn't covered much in the news, but from what I remember it was a good thing. Especially since we are learning that with expanded populations and technologies, our oceans are much smaller (relatively speaking) than they once were.

    Just Googled it, to see if I could find a reference. LOL, yeah I did. Wasn't even obummers original idea. But still, I'll call it a good thing that obummer did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Better yet , can you name one thing that Obama did that the republican’s saw as a positive?

    Pretty clear to see that both parties have been at each other’s throat for a while now and it seems to just keep getting worse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Better yet , can you name one thing that Obama did that the republican’s saw as a positive?

    Pretty clear to see that both parties have been at each other’s throat for a while now and it seems to just keep getting worse.



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    Ahhh, looks to me like your up!

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    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

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    Left looks to own all three branches of government in 2020 : There will be no escape from liberal indoctrinationhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news...of-government/

    Excerpts:

    "Fresh from their secret briefing room, Nancy Pelosi’s House Democrats voted on Halloween to approve rules of a formal impeachment inquiry. But they can’t pretend it’s bipartisan, since no Republican voted with them. If this doesn’t work, they’ll cook up something else."
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    "In October, Ms. Warren began railing against charter schools because they compete with government schools.

    Her plan, “A Great Public School Education for Every Student,” calls for banning for-profit charter schools, plus deploying the IRS to investigate nonprofit charters that may “actually serve for-profit interests.” For a self-declared capitalist, she sure hates the concept of profits.

    “We should stop the diversion of public dollars from traditional public schools through vouchers or tuition tax credits,” she said.

    Translation: There will be no escape from leftist indoctrination. If you Christian and orthodox Jewish parents, in particular, think that you can keep your children safe by home schooling or putting them in a private school, you’re whistling past the graveyard. If she gets her way, it’s only a matter of time before everybody’s children are enrolled in Miss Lizzie’s New Age School of Bliss."


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    "Today’s book burners are not the parents and school board members who protest when schools ply children with perverse and obscene texts. The real burners are the legions of the left who have declared all dissent to be the equivalent of “hate speech” or “racism.”

    The ultimate goal of progressives like Ms. Warren is to replace self-government with an all-powerful socialist state to supplant and suppress Christian morality and dictate how we all live and what we’re allowed to say. "

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    AOC is right when she says:

    "Secondly, our prison & jail system is so large bc we use them as de facto mental hospitals, homeless shelters, & detox centers instead of *actually* investing in... mental health, housing, edu, & rehab."

    Before 1980 and the creation of all the mind-altering big-dharma drugs we locked up the nuts. Separately from the law-breakers - but we still isolated them from society.

    Which both protects society from their nutty behaviors AND slowly devolves them out of existence by severely limiting their breeding opportunities.

    Although AOC apparently doesn't know that most 'mental hospitals' were simply prisons for crazy people. <g>

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    I'm am pretty sure I would have agreed, taken the lad to the park to play some sunny weekend morning , and then detoured to say; Texas or Florida. Or to where ever the most traditional laws still exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post


    This is made possible by executive orders from Obama..and now we have to deal with this crap for life.
    A seven year old doesn't even know what it wants for lunch.
    But lets go further how can anyone say I want to be a girl...If they are already a girl but just happen to have a wanger.
    In other words if you really are a girl on the inside then how can you say I want to be a girl...how do you know you are not supposed to be a boy if you are one?
    You only know what is within ourself and no one else so how would we know?

    If that isn't enough... They will cut the boy up... Try and make him a girl.

    But wait there is more... If he were a girl then why does he need girl hormones in addition to cutting him up.

    Can we imagine if this happened 20 years ago... It would never fly....And here it is.. quick "progress"..No riots no outcries.
    We can bet those jurors were young idiots suckered into the progressive movement...and feel good about what they did.
    The reality is that child will be destroyed surgically ...mentally.. won't be a boy or a girl..just a mutilated human that was exploited as a child ...that child will now be in the very high suicide risk group and chances are will ends it life at about the age of 23.
    This is why we do not vote for Democrats.
    7 years old..what a shame.
    Not even old enough to use the stove yet but an decide with the "help" of others she can be a girl.

    And remember in many places if you don't go along with this crap .. they(state) just take the kid from you..kid goes to school..bam.. they come in a swoop up the kid..can't fight if you aren't there.. a quick hearing later in down the road and you lose..

    Thankyou Democrats.. you guys are awesome...look what have done... more social damage than the Boston strangler and it's just beginning.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    AOC is right when she says:

    "Secondly, our prison & jail system is so large bc we use them as de facto mental hospitals, homeless shelters, & detox centers instead of *actually* investing in... mental health, housing, edu, & rehab."

    Before 1980 and the creation of all the mind-altering big-dharma drugs we locked up the nuts. Separately from the law-breakers - but we still isolated them from society.

    Which both protects society from their nutty behaviors AND slowly devolves them out of existence by severely limiting their breeding opportunities.

    Although AOC apparently doesn't know that most 'mental hospitals' were simply prisons for crazy people. <g>

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    I don't necessarily disagree with that concept, and award AOC the 'Broken Clock Observation Award'. But any idea she has is either crazy or her version of implementation is. Perhaps prisons with a 'Mental Block' (heh!), a wing dedicated to verified (criminally) mentally insane patients.

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    I am somehow reminded of when the US government was going to economize by closing military bases and facilities. I have done a lot of work for the US government and was mostly amused to see that all the facilities and bases with which I was familiar simply changed their names. I guessed that a list of closed base names was published - but a list of new base names was not considered to be news-worthy. <g>

    AOC economics are flawed in the same way. OK; right now we spend a lot of money on the court system and the prison system. But splitting the same people up into classified-prisons (mental hospitals, rehab centers, re-training schools) will cost the same or more to accomplish. <g>. It's not like she is saying: Let's get rid of the prisons and replace them with nothing.

    I do very much enjoy the fact that prisons are under-cover-apartheid according to her and many of her like-kinds. <g>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    I am somehow reminded of when the US government was going to economize by closing military bases and facilities. I have done a lot of work for the US government and was mostly amused to see that all the facilities and bases with which I was familiar simply changed their names. I guessed that a list of closed base names was published - but a list of new base names was not considered to be news-worthy. <g>

    AOC economics are flawed in the same way. OK; right now we spend a lot of money on the court system and the prison system. But splitting the same people up into classified-prisons (mental hospitals, rehab centers, re-training schools) will cost the same or more to accomplish. <g>. It's not like she is saying: Let's get rid of the prisons and replace them with nothing.

    I do very much enjoy the fact that prisons are under-cover-apartheid according to her and many of her like-kinds.
    <g>
    These types of insane ideas and "solutions" seem all to common these days. One wonders if the region of the brain that separates and filters obviously insane ideas has gone dark.

    What was the outcome regarding the bases that changed their names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Better yet , can you name one thing that Obama did that the republican’s saw as a positive?

    Pretty clear to see that both parties have been at each other’s throat for a while now and it seems to just keep getting worse.
    I agree. I think the explanation for this can be found in the names/philosophies of the two parties. "Conservatives" want to adhere to the Constitution. "Progressives" want to move beyond it and re-interpret.

    The further the Progressives progress (away from the foundation of the Constitution), the wider the gap becomes, since the Conservatives stay put. The Progressives have covered a lot of ground in recent years. It seems inevitable that the chasm between the parties will grow wider and deeper. I'm not sure there's a solution. Perhaps we are approaching the end of our Democracy lifespan.

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