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    Wiring in basement , staples or NO staples

    Friend of mine is flipping a house out in the country where you typically do what the hell you want and nobody cares

    I gotta run a few wires from panel ... down in basement for a sump pump , and recs , and more lighting

    I see some wires are drilled and run through the joists , and others are merely stapled to the bottoms of joists

    So which is it .... can I just staple them ?

    There will be a home inspector im sure because its a 300,000 dollar sale

    I have a feeling he's gonna make us remove the stapled wiring and drill holes into joists although those wires were already there

    Currently there is an electric water heater , well pump , pressure tank , and indoor unit down there

    7 foot high , concrete block walls , concrete floor

    You look up and theres water pipes clamped to bottom , and flex, and linesets too

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    Listed staples are fine there unless banned locally. Stapling to the side of the joists and drilling holes when needed is my preference because it looks neater, keeps the romex more protected, and does not make finishing a ceiling harder (which might not happen since it is only 7 feet). The bottom feels lazy to me.

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    so as long as I don't just bend a nail over .... its fine using staples

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    My understanding is your not allowed to staple to the bottom or top of floor Joyces
    It will get crushed if something is fastened or people walk on it.

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    Best practice is to not staple to the bottom of floor joists.

    When I wired new homes, we used a Milwaukee "Hole Shooter" drill and a large, short boring bit. Check it out below. It is a monster when if comes to doing lots of holes. You can charge batteries all day...or you can get the job done fast.

    Here is a page that discusses boring holes in joists, with building code references.

    https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/10657/what-are-the-guidelines-for-holes-in-joists

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...34-6/100180020
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    I don't understand how notching can be ok while drilling is required to be a minimum of 2" from top or bottom.
    Isn't the 2" minimum so one can't drive a sheetrock screw or sub floor nail/screw into the wire ?

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    Id drill holes and be done with it. At the end of the day its easier to pull your wire also as long as the holes big enough and you dont twist the Rolex.


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    I have a Miiwaukee Hole Hog timebuilder and it does the job so quick you forget about how heavy it is. I bought it after burning up three battery powered drills building my first house. Drill the holes is my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    I don't understand how notching can be ok while drilling is required to be a minimum of 2" from top or bottom.
    Isn't the 2" minimum so one can't drive a sheetrock screw or sub floor nail/screw into the wire ?
    A electrician buddy told me about notching the existing wires , and adding nail plates

    Im not sure how deep you go ....

    I normally drill holes in the joists , but this time its about 30 joists i have to drill through

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapperhead View Post
    A electrician buddy told me about notching the existing wires , and adding nail plates

    Im not sure how deep you go ....

    I normally drill holes in the joists , but this time its about 30 joists i have to drill through
    So six of one and half dozen of another
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    I don't understand how notching can be ok while drilling is required to be a minimum of 2" from top or bottom.
    Isn't the 2" minimum so one can't drive a sheetrock screw or sub floor nail/screw into the wire ?
    The nail plates are used on the face of vertical 2x4's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    The nail plates are used on the face of vertical 2x4's.
    Yeah that came to mind, see it for plumbing a lot. Surprisingly thought that drawing made no reference of using plates.

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    On floor joist end cuts do not make a square cut on the bottom end of the joist. Make a radius cut to prevent splitting of the joist.
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