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    Testimony: How Trump helped Ukraine

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    "One notable and little-reported conclusion emerging from the House Democratic impeachment proceedings is a consensus among some foreign policy professionals that President Trump's Ukraine policy has been an improvement over President Barack Obama's.

    Ukraine was an occasionally hot issue in the 2016 campaign for all the wrong reasons. At the Republican convention, a false headline in the Washington Post, "Trump campaign guts GOP's anti-Russia stance on Ukraine," gave birth to a false narrative that candidate Trump, desperate to appease Vladimir Putin, would undermine U.S. support for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression.

    Then Trump became president, and his administration enacted a new policy that not only continued a broad range of assistance to Ukraine but also expanded that aid to include the provision of Javelin anti-tank missiles — the so-called "lethal aid" that the Obama administration had declined to provide."

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Trump can withhold funds.

    But withholding them until the intended recipient helps you damage a political opponent or if holding them back is to allow you to personally gain something or profit from it... is wrong.
    If Biden didn't do anything wrong then how is there damage?
    Not that it matters....the investigation needs to happen...the investigation that caused more corruption in Ukraine.. the money is to stop corruption... Not create more corruption such as Biden did.
    Who cares if Joe is a political opponent.. those Politicians do this crap to each other all the time... Now all of a sudden it's a big deal lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post
    If Biden didn't do anything wrong then how is there damage?
    Not that it matters....the investigation needs to happen...the investigation that caused more corruption in Ukraine.. the money is to stop corruption... Not create more corruption such as Biden did.
    Who cares if Joe is a political opponent.. those Politicians do this crap to each other all the time... Now all of a sudden it's a big deal lol



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    Its a big deal because it is trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Trump can withhold funds.

    But withholding them until the intended recipient helps you damage a political opponent or if holding them back is to allow you to personally gain something or profit from it... is wrong.
    corny, if Trump was VP and Donald Jr got a 50k/month seat on the board of Burisma holdings shortly after a Trump/UKR meeting in which Trump told UKR that unless they stopped the investigation into Burisma holdings, would you consider it inconsequential? Or would you believe that Trump had done so for personal gain...Donald Jr's unwarranted 50k/month job?

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    Hunter was there to lend the Biden name to the company. Shady as hell but perfectly legal.

    Same as Amtrak... hunter got the job so that VP Bidens son would be on the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Hunter was there to lend the Biden name to the company. Shady as hell but perfectly legal.

    Same as Amtrak... hunter got the job so that VP Bidens son would be on the board.
    Speculation. But you didn't answer the question.

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    The thing about Joe is that when he threatened the Ukraine it was because the prosecutor was corrupt and the Ukrainian people, many European and world orgs and Us diplomats and state department folks wanted the guy removed.

    So if Trump did the same as Joe under the same circumstances the yes, I would consider it inconsequential.

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    Trumps only motivation was to get the pres to announce publicly that he was investigating the Bidens. Wasnt about corruption in general... just the Bidens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    The thing about Joe is that when he threatened the Ukraine it was because the prosecutor was corrupt and the Ukrainian people, many European and world orgs and Us diplomats and state department folks wanted the guy removed.

    So if Trump did the same as Joe under the same circumstances the yes, I would consider it inconsequential.
    And he profited through his son. The thing is that you are judging an intangible in both cases...intent. That's all there is to go on in both cases. Yes, there is this one and that one coming forward with this or that testimony (some of which have already been discredited), but that's not really unexpected, given the rancor against Trump, even from within the ranks.

    Frankly, I think your kidding yourself. I think that if it had been Trump, you and other Trump haters would be all over it as 'criminal'.

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    And I know that someone may come along and say the Biden-Ukraine narrative is false but no matter how much it is investigated... its not going to change... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Trumps only motivation was to get the pres to announce publicly that he was investigating the Bidens. Wasn’t about corruption in general... just the Bidens...
    Not sure if that's true, or if so, what the context is, but the point of so much discussion regarding Biden's role in 2016 is that if Biden was demanding 'play for pay', it's corruption worth investigating, and lends credence to Trump's assertion, since Biden would then necessarily be part of any corruption investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Trumps only motivation was to get the pres to announce publicly that he was investigating the Bidens. Wasnt about corruption in general... just the Bidens...
    We don't know that for sure...but yeah he needed to announce it so we know he just didn't say ok and actually do nothing.
    Plus it's a move in the right direction..."No corruption allowed"
    See how easy this is?



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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Its a big deal because it is trump.
    Yep.
    Why do they hate him so much.
    He is actually doing what the citizens want



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