Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345678 LastLast
Results 27 to 39 of 98
  1. #27
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Atlanta GA area
    Posts
    41,709
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Legally that's called "hear/say" and it's not allowed in court so why tolerate it now. With out names/dates you will never know. He "even filled in for Rush"?? One of the largest lies on line. But few take the time to try to validate what these people say. Rat poison.
    People like this feed dysfunction. There are people I choose not to listen to but not because I don't choose to learn, it's because I choose not to entertain lies. Desernment of spirit.
    If Rush is a bastion of truth, our dysfunction becomes obvious.
    Newsflash...

    Us locals listen to him regularly...
    YOU do not even know who he is...

    Now who would know more???

    Typical arrogant liberal...
    GA-HVAC-Tech

    Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!

  2. #28
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Atlanta area
    Posts
    6,577
    Post Likes
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Just heard on the radio from Erick Erickson that Biden didn't even go to Ukraine in 2016. The whole story was just another one of those Joe Biden Fairy Tales.

    In fact, the president of Ukraine came to US and visited President Obama. Obama negotiated the deal Biden pretended to.
    Here's another version of this story. Apparently, Biden didn't actually travel to Ukraine to request that prosecutor Viktor Shokin be fired.


    The media's exoneration of Biden's Ukrainian dealings gives him the benefit of the doubt he does not deserve
    .
    According to the media, when there is "no evidence" concerning something Trump allegedly did, that is a good reason for everyone to dig in as deeply as possible, so that we can make absolutely sure nothing untoward happened. On the other hand, when there is "no evidence" that Joe Biden did something wrong, if you ask questions that any reasonably curious person might ask about a situation, you are a conspiracy theorist spreading smears.

    The media's feverish exoneration really actually goes beyond giving the benefit of the doubt to Biden and crosses into the realm of defensiveness and ostrich-head-in-the-sand-land, but the central lynch pin of the exoneration comes down to the media's willingness to believe Joe and Hunter Biden when they say that Hunter Biden never discussed Burisma Holdings — or the Ukrainian government's investigation into same — with his father.

    The Washington Post's "fact check" into the issue — written by noted Ukraine expert (please detect the sarcasm) Glenn Kessler — notes that a central fact of the Biden defense is that Joe and Hunter never discussed Hunter's work with Burisma Holdings. Initially, both camps denied that any such conversation occurred, until a New Yorker profile on Hunter Biden emerged in which he admitted to having at least one conversation with Joe about it. Noting this, Kessler (doing his dutiful part to carry Joe Biden's water) still declines to say Biden lied about this because, even though Hunter Biden admitted to the conversation, "Biden never said he spoke to his son, as Trump claimed he did."

    Well, technically true. Joe Biden hasn't admitted it yet. Perhaps an enterprising journalist working for a large-budget, Democrat-friendly publication like the Washington Post might feel inclined to confront Joe Biden with the fact that his son is on record admitting to such a conversation, and ask whether Joe Biden has any comment on that, but that's probably asking too much of the Washington Post. Better to just somehow leave it that Trump is the liar in this particular scenario, as Kessler did.

    Here is the thing: the media's blind willingness to take Joe Biden's word for what happened would constitute professional laziness and malpractice even if it were the ordinary, run-of-the-mill politician. But in this case, we know, based on repeated instances of history, that Joe Biden is a serial fabulist.

    It is often claimed that Joe Biden's 1988 presidential campaign was derailed due to accusations of plagiarism in his speeches. That is maybe about half true. It is true that Biden plagiarized speeches, but that is often considered to be a relatively menial sin in politics. What really doomed Biden was not that he plagiarized rhetoric, but that he plagiarized portions of speeches that included him describing himself in situations that never happened. In other words, it wasn't just that he stole lofty lines to inspire people, it's that he was constantly telling stories about himself that were simply not true.

    It's a habit that Biden has never really rid himself of. In fact, it's already been established that he did it with respect to this very story. A central aspect of Biden's bragging was that he made the supposed threat to the Ukrainians while in Ukraine. He even dramatically stated that he was going to be on a plane back to the states in a few hours, and if Shokin wasn't fired before he boarded the plane, then Ukraine wasn't going to get the money.

    The problem, of course, is that Joe Biden did not go to Ukraine at all in March 2016. He did meet briefly with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko at the White House — two days after Shokin had already been fired.
    .
    Remember that story Biden told about going to Kiev to get Shokin fired in March 2016?
    Well, Biden never went to Ukraine in March 2016. Poroshenko came to the WH
    https://twitter.com/conncarroll/stat...36987468238848


    Put simply, Biden's interaction with Poroshenko did not happen the way he claimed it did. Frankly, it was probably not even close. Even Obama administration officials have groused in recent days that Biden has vastly inflated, conflated, and exaggerated events related to the firing of Shokin since he left office.

    I am at a loss to understand why the word of a man with such a lengthy history of making up facts to suit his own ends — including key details in this very story — should be so worthy of blind trust by a media that likes to pretend that it is dedicated to investigating and uncovering the truth.

    One further thing needs to be noted in connection with this story. The media has likewise pretended that Biden's word is more or less irrelevant to this story because there is a lot of evidence that the international community wanted Shokin dismissed due to corruption anyway.

    It is true, as far as it goes, that there was considerable international pressure to remove Shokin. And it is true, as far as it goes, that there appears to have been corruption in Shokin's office. But as with all things involving Ukrainian politics, it isn't just as simple as, "Well his office was corrupt and everyone wanted him gone anyway, so there's nothing to see here." And the American journalists who are suddenly pretending to be experts in Ukrainian politics because they've done a little research on wikipedia are beclowning themselves by pretending to understand the intricacies of the Ukrainian political game.

    See, corruption is not only a fact of life in Ukrainian government, but it is also considered more or less par for the course in the Ukraine for the government to use its prosecutorial powers to go after the political opponents — including the well-connected quasi-state mega corporations and the oligarchs who run them — of the ruling power. In fact, this very fact of life is exactly why companies like Burisma Holdings paid politically well-connected people who have no experience in the natural gas field (like Hunter Biden) comfortable sinecures to sit on their boards, as kind of a bulwark against their own corrupt state and politically motivated reprisal investigations.

    And so, while Shokin may well have been corrupt, and while everyone may have wanted him removed, he may also have been the very worst possible person to have in office, from the standpoint of Burisma Holdings.

    I'll be honest with you: I don't know whether that's true because I'm not an expert in the internal workings of Ukrainian politics circa 2016, and I wasn't present for Burisma Holdings board rooms discussions. But I'll tell you this: neither is Glenn Kessler nor any other member of the American media who has written "fact checks" confidently proclaiming that Biden is innocent and everything was totally above board knows, either.

    In a sane world, with a media that was truly interested in reaching the truth, well-funded organizations like the Washington Post and CNN would be sending reporters to Ukraine to dig into original documents, confronting Joe Biden with Hunter's statements about their conversations, and trying to dig up records to uncover the truth about what happened.

    Instead, they seem mostly compelled to just give Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt.


    And there's almost no one who deserves it less.

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/biden...-benefit-doubt
    Last edited by Space Racer; 10-01-2019 at 10:22 PM.
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

  3. #29
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Atlanta area
    Posts
    6,577
    Post Likes
    Thread Starter
    Obama White House Archives
    .
    March 31, 2016
    The Schedule

    In the morning, as part of the Nuclear Security Summit, the Vice President will hold a bilateral meeting with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. There will be a pool spray at the top of this meeting at the St. Regis Hotel.

    Later in the morning, the President will hold a trilateral meeting with President Park Geun-Hye of the Republic of Korea and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan. The Vice President will also attend. There will be a pool spray at the bottom of this meeting at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center.

    Afterward, the Vice President will hold a working lunch with President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine. There will be a pool spray at the top of this lunch at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center.


    In the afternoon, the President will hold a bilateral meeting with President Xi Jinping of the People’s Republic of China. The Vice President will also attend. There will be a pool spray at the top of this meeting at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center.

    Later in the afternoon, the President will hold a brief bilateral meeting with President Francois Hollande of France. There will be a pool spray at the bottom of this meeting at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center.

    Afterward, the Vice President will hold a bilateral meeting with President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan. This meeting at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center will be closed press.

    In the evening, the President will hold a working dinner with heads of delegations at the Nuclear Security Summit. The Vice President will also attend. There will be a pool spray at the top of this dinner in the East Room.
    All times ET

    9:00 AM


    The Vice President will hold a bilateral meeting with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey

    St. Regis Hotel Pool Spray at the Top

    10:35 AM


    The President holds a trilateral meeting with President Park Geun-Hye of the Republic of Korea and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan; The Vice President also attends

    Walter E. Washington Convention Center, Washington, DC Pooled TV, Open to Correspondents (In-Town Travel Pool Gather 9:30AM – North Doors of the Palm Room)

    12:30 PM


    Press Briefing with Principal Deputy Press Secretary Eric Schultz and Deputy National Security Advisor For Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center

    12:30 PM


    The Vice President will hold a working lunch with President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine

    Walter E. Washington Convention Center Pool Spray at the Top


    2:10 PM

    The President holds a bilateral meeting with President Xi Jinping of the People’s Republic of China; The Vice President also attends

    Walter E. Washington Convention Center, Washington, DC Pool Spray at the Top (In-Town Travel (In-Town Travel Pool Gather 1:15PM – North Doors of the Palm Room)


    3:30 PM

    The Vice President will hold a bilateral meeting with President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan

    The Walter E. Washington Convention Center Closed Press


    4:15 PM

    The President holds a brief bilateral meeting with President Francois Hollande of France

    Walter E. Washington Convention Center, Washington, DC Pool Spray at the Bottom


    7:15 PM

    The President holds a working dinner with heads of delegations at the Nuclear Security Summit; The Vice President also attends

    East Room Pool Spray at the Top (Final Gather 6:55PM – North Doors of the Palm Room)

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog?page=29
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

  4. #30
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    1,433
    Post Likes
    Don't know about you guys but I'm laughing my Obama off watching regressives gobbling up one tin foil hat conspiracy after another...

    despite all the previous tin foil hat conspiracies blowing up in their faces.




    Sorry men, two meme limit.

  5. #31
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    New Mexico
    Posts
    9,381
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Newsflash...

    Us locals listen to him regularly...
    YOU do not even know who he is...

    Now who would know more???

    Typical arrogant liberal...
    GA quote:
    "Us locals listen to him regularly.."

    "Agreement of peoples" is not a path to truth. Any logician knows this. Many people will listen to anyone that enhances their prejudges. But don't ask them to confront them. That's the path to media popularity.

    GA again"Who would know more? "
    More what. Lies? Knowledge is meaningless if it's even slightly tainted.
    How do you know he tells truth? You don't. Just walk with anyone that won't cause you to change your mind.

    Oh ya, I'm not a liberal I'm a hybrid. I know a lost cause when I see one. Can't wait for your description of a elephant. But unlike the blind man your description might be closer to Trump.
    Give me a relay with big enough contacts, and I'll run the world!

    You can be anything you want......As long as you don't suck at it.

    If a person wants to create a machine that will be more likely to fail...Make it complicated.

    USAF 98 Bomb Wing 1960-66 SMW Lu49

  6. #32
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Atlanta area
    Posts
    6,577
    Post Likes
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    "Agreement of peoples" is not a path to truth.
    Off Topic:

    "Agreement of peoples" is aka "consensus," for those who are interested.

    Carry on.
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

  7. #33
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    New Mexico
    Posts
    9,381
    Post Likes
    I was going to use the Latin "Consensus gentium" but didn't want to be a smart a$$.
    Oh wait, I already am
    Give me a relay with big enough contacts, and I'll run the world!

    You can be anything you want......As long as you don't suck at it.

    If a person wants to create a machine that will be more likely to fail...Make it complicated.

    USAF 98 Bomb Wing 1960-66 SMW Lu49

  8. #34
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Atlanta GA area
    Posts
    41,709
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    GA quote:
    "Us locals listen to him regularly.."

    "Agreement of peoples" is not a path to truth. Any logician knows this. Many people will listen to anyone that enhances their prejudges. But don't ask them to confront them. That's the path to media popularity.

    GA again"Who would know more? "
    More what. Lies? Knowledge is meaningless if it's even slightly tainted.
    How do you know he tells truth? You don't. Just walk with anyone that won't cause you to change your mind.

    Oh ya, I'm not a liberal I'm a hybrid. I know a lost cause when I see one. Can't wait for your description of a elephant. But unlike the blind man your description might be closer to Trump.
    I understand what you think you are saying...

    What you do not know...
    Most of the folks I know... will do their own fact checking... including me!

    Bottom line... if the guy in question was full of poop... we would not listen to him.

    Again... we know him because we listen to him regularly.

    For someone that lever listens to him... to think they know him...
    Is the usual arrogance of the left...
    Thinking they can push their BS views on folks that know better...

    Suggestion... peddle that BS somewhere else...
    It is NOT gonna work here...
    GA-HVAC-Tech

    Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!

  9. #35
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    New Mexico
    Posts
    9,381
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I understand what you think you are saying...

    What you do not know...
    Most of the folks I know... will do their own fact checking... including me!

    Bottom line... if the guy in question was full of poop... we would not listen to him.

    Again... we know him because we listen to him regularly.

    For someone that lever listens to him... to think they know him...
    Is the usual arrogance of the left...
    Thinking they can push their BS views on folks that know better...

    Suggestion... peddle that BS somewhere else...
    It is NOT gonna work here...

    Really? My Mother-in-Law went to Rush Hour with her friends every day. There was no fact checking in fact they felt no need to check because the facts were coming from the High Priest.
    Thing is BS is peddled here all the time. Most of people that are in the fringe media of broadcasting have their own brand of it. They schmooze their listeners to a type of malleability that allows them to say most anything w/o question.
    This is everywhere. Evangelical preachers are famous for it. Sales people develop an almost sociopathic attitude about their scores. Fringe media's playground.

    People will swear by Rush for example when if they would actually research as you suggest, he would be selling used cars.
    How it often done is to find a point of agreement with listeners. Repeat as often as necessary and then add the BS. Once peoples heads go up and down they are ready for the hook. This is not just susceptible people, it's most all people if the point of agreement is reached.

    Did you ever hear the expression "I felt like someone had thrown sand in my eyes"? That's a common sensation some have felt when exposed to BS.
    More often, if a person has taken the hook is a feeling of getting even. A feeling of well being. Like at a hanging. This is systematic of being duped.
    They got ya.
    So I don't expose myself to it. Like a medicine show, I don't buy it.
    Give me a relay with big enough contacts, and I'll run the world!

    You can be anything you want......As long as you don't suck at it.

    If a person wants to create a machine that will be more likely to fail...Make it complicated.

    USAF 98 Bomb Wing 1960-66 SMW Lu49

  10. #36
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Atlanta area
    Posts
    6,577
    Post Likes
    Thread Starter
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

  11. #37
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Posts
    20,723
    Post Likes
    The difference between Trump and Biden on THE Ukraine is that Biden was doing it with the blessing of the US government, the blessing of the IMF and other world organizations... and other nations..... and with the blessing of many Ukrainians who were fed up with a prosecutor not doing his job.

    Trump was doing it to try and harm a political rival.

    Those are facts...... spin them any way you want to... but go forward a year and that where they are gonna still be standing..... no matter what Trump and his stooges do.
    The bible is my constitution and the constitution is my bible.

    WE THE PEOPLE refers to THEM and not YOU.

    Chewbacca Mom 2016

  12. #38
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Deep Southeast
    Posts
    7,502
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    The difference between Trump and Biden on THE Ukraine is that Biden was doing it with the blessing of the US government, the blessing of the IMF and other world organizations... and other nations..... and with the blessing of many Ukrainians who were fed up with a prosecutor not doing his job.

    Trump was doing it to try and harm a political rival.

    Those are facts...... spin them any way you want to... but go forward a year and that where they are gonna still be standing..... no matter what Trump and his stooges do.
    Nice how you take spin and call it facts. I'm a bit disappointed that there's no mention of the Illuminati, though.

  13. #39
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Atlanta GA area
    Posts
    41,709
    Post Likes
    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    Nice how you take spin and call it facts. I'm a bit disappointed that there's no mention of the Illuminati, though.
    I wonder if Corny thinks just because POTUS tells a member of their cabinet to do something... that makes it legal???

    NEWSFLASH... each person is responsible to know the law and not break it... if they do (break the law), it is on them... REGARDLESS of what their boss told them to do.

    This silly BS makes about as much sense as an HVAC installer not tightening up the gas pipe on a furnace change...
    Then WHEN (not if) the house burns down... saying: Oh, it is not my responsibility, the boss told me not to worry about it... it is the bosses responsibility.

    That is a child dodging responsibility...
    And that child needs to be taken out behind the woodshed!!!
    GA-HVAC-Tech

    Your comfort, Your way, Everyday!

Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 12345678 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •