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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    Ya know, it he lost the case in front of a judge I might, just might consider the system was somehow askew. However, since CG lost via a jury of his peers well, I would tend to go with the jury. Most juries are reasonable, logical people who often put themselves in the shoes of the one being tried. Jury trials are pretty much the fairest route to justice.
    Hugh, I read your post again and your logic is 'askew.' Are you saying that if a judge ruled against me you would question it, but if a jury ruled against me you would tend to agree with them? What world do you operate in? A judge can see through a lawyer's drama and BS much better than a jury who's never even sat through a trial before or knew how lawyers operate. Can you see through another HVAC person's BS better than a homeowner? Of course you can.

    As for the jury being my peers...they are not. They are motorists that have never even ridden a bike like mine and have never tried to avoid the obstacles that I do. They sit upright with the protection of a 4Klb vehicle and I am nearly naked riding right next to them. I cannot take my eyes off of what is right in front of me. A motorist has the luxury to gaze at the sky, billboards, buildings, hot chicks while swatting the kid in the back seat. Hence, they cannot relate to riding a roadbike or what my challenges are.

    My Judge, who is a casual cyclist, knew something went terribly wrong with the verdict. Immediately after the Jury left the courtroom the Judge said to me "Sometimes Orange County Juries can be heartless." He knew what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    What I saw was an attorney on the other side that would make an outstanding, corrupt politician. He never once defended or even addressed the laws his client broke or the measures they short-cutted. He did nothing but attack me and was effective to a biased jury. Does that sound like our politicians? Never explain what you are doing, just attack the other side.

    He could be a politician in training, never caring about what was right, only what he could convince someone of. It lowered my assessment of anyone who wears a suit. IMO, they wear suits as a first line of deception, very similar to politicians.

    Oh, cops do the same thing when they wear their uniform into the courtroom. Give me a break, a corrupt cop is not part of the other 90% of cops that are not corrupt. They are just protected by them.
    C’mon Brian, lawyers are sleazy can’t be breaking news to you? Most politicians start as sleazy lawyers and work their way up(or more accurately down)to sleazy politicians. They are all just paid mouth pieces to the highest bidders. Going to Court is like most things around here, you win a few, you lose a few. As we get older, you just learn to accept it and be thankful that at least we don’t live somewhere like Haiti or Venezuela.


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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    C’mon Brian, lawyers are sleazy can’t be breaking news to you? Most politicians start as sleazy lawyers and work their way up(or more accurately down)to sleazy politicians. They are all just paid mouth pieces to the highest bidders. Going to Court is like most things around here, you win a few, you lose a few. As we get older, you just learn to accept it and be thankful that at least we don’t live somewhere like Haiti or Venezuela.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Hugh, I read your post again and your logic is 'askew.' Are you saying that if a judge ruled against me you would question it, but if a jury ruled against me you would tend to agree with them? What world do you operate in? A judge can see through a lawyer's drama and BS much better than a jury who's never even sat through a trial before or knew how lawyers operate. Can you see through another HVAC person's BS better than a homeowner? Of course you can.

    As for the jury being my peers...they are not. They are motorists that have never even ridden a bike like mine and have never tried to avoid the obstacles that I do. They sit upright with the protection of a 4Klb vehicle and I am nearly naked riding right next to them. I cannot take my eyes off of what is right in front of me. A motorist has the luxury to gaze at the sky, billboards, buildings, hot chicks while swatting the kid in the back seat. Hence, they cannot relate to riding a roadbike or what my challenges are.

    My Judge, who is a casual cyclist, knew something went terribly wrong with the verdict. Immediately after the Jury left the courtroom the Judge said to me "Sometimes Orange County Juries can be heartless." He knew what happened.
    You seem pretty burned about this entire affair. You just can't let it go. I would not be surprised if one of you California relatives or neighbors asked the local authorities to Red Flag your firearms at least until you show evidence of not being a possible threat.

    Do you get the point I am trying to make? Red Flag laws will be used to gain retribution against non violent people by those who just want to get their pound of flesh against someone whom they do not like. Liberals will be all for red flag laws and then things will change quickly when the law is used against them.
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    Spot on Hugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Even a law called 'Negligence Per Se' was applied in court. It states that if a person was injured as a result of a law being broken, you must find some fault by the party that broke the law. The jury ignored that too. And, after 11 witnesses and four long days of trial, the jury deliberated for only 20 minutes and found absolutely zero fault by the truck co. They did not review anything nor asked any questions. I guarantee I will be the last cyclist my attorney ever works for.

    It is irrelevant that our court system is the best in the world when an injustice like this took place. It's like saying "the doctor cut off the wrong leg but our doctors are the best."
    I am confused buddy. Did you sue for damages after hitting a parked vehicle on your bicycle?

    The 15 K surgeon witness fee sounds highly illegal to me, but I don't have much experience with the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    This is certainly part of it. I also connect it to the destruction of the American family. Before the 1970's, 70% of households had a stay at home parent. Then there was the 70's women's movement, and all of a sudden both parents had to work.
    There is the answer, and what one sees today is the result. Will it ever change, I have hope we will wake up, but I don't think it will happen in my life time, if ever.

    It's sad, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    You seem pretty burned about this entire affair. You just can't let it go. I would not be surprised if one of you California relatives or neighbors asked the local authorities to Red Flag your firearms at least until you show evidence of not being a possible threat.

    Do you get the point I am trying to make? Red Flag laws will be used to gain retribution against non violent people by those who just want to get their pound of flesh against someone whom they do not like. Liberals will be all for red flag laws and then things will change quickly when the law is used against them.
    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Spot on Hugh.
    He will never get the logic behind what you just said. He's got the mentality of a cat and can't think past two feet in front of him.

    I would like everyone to remember the thread from a year or so ago. A person in a car hit a piece of crap bum at an intersection. The car had a green light and was driving through the intersection and the bum was stopped at the red light on the crossing street. Out of no where the bum lunged forward at the last second in front of the car coming from the left side of the video. The car had no chance to stop and hit the piece of shit. GC spent DAYS arguing with you guys claiming the car driver was at fault.

    Now he is suing because he hit a parked truck. If he can put blame a driver for hitting someone when they were driving with the right of way then some drug addict on a bike lunged forward through a red light into the path of the car, but thinks he's owed money for hitting a parked truck........ ?

    I'm sorry about the guys accident. I feel bad about it and wish him the best with the recovery..... But damn. The complete hypocrisy. And the glaring insanity.

    Even if the truck was parked illegally. Do you guys not remember him arguing with everyone for days? By his own definition he, at the very least, shares the majority of the guilt and is owed NOTHING. What he did was a freaking million times more "at fault" than the poor traumatized driver. Anyone else see the insanity in this guy's head?

    It's almost like he likes to argue just to argue. And often purposefully picks the loosing side just for sport. He needs to argue with us conservatives and show us once and for all that we are wrong. Maybe we remind him of his brother. Who knows?

    Maybe I'll dig up that thread tomorrow. It was a hoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I did take partial fault. But the professional traffic control truck was required to follow certain laws and safety policies clearly outlined in their Federally written safety manual called the MUTCD and the WATCH Manual.

    They were illegally parked in a "no stopping anytime" zone.
    They blocked my whole bike lane and extended into the #2 lane, forcing me way into traffic.
    They did not have a permit to do the work they were doing. Their permit was for the next day.
    They violated policy by using an arrow board without using cones.
    They violated policy by directing bikes into mainline, 70mph traffic to get around the truck.
    There were no bright colors on the their truck. It was a black truck on black pavement. No cones, no signs.
    So what? They were allegedly parked illegally. It's not like the drove through a freaking red light in front of your path. Now if they did that you might have a case.

    No wait, it would still be your fault according to last years GC logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Even a law called 'Negligence Per Se' was applied in court. It states that if a person was injured as a result of a law being broken, you must find some fault by the party that broke the law. The jury ignored that too. And, after 11 witnesses and four long days of trial, the jury deliberated for only 20 minutes and found absolutely zero fault by the truck co. They did not review anything nor asked any questions. I guarantee I will be the last cyclist my attorney ever works for.

    It is irrelevant that our court system is the best in the world when an injustice like this took place. It's like saying "the doctor cut off the wrong leg but our doctors are the best."
    I would have counter sued you for court costs and lawyers fees. You had absolutely no case. The very idea, that you think you can sue someone else for your obvious stupidity, running into the back of a freaking parked vehicle, is absurd. Score one for the good guys, the jury. I'm surprised you're not being held accountable for a frivolous law suit.

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    Did you guys not know...

    GC is above the law and rules...
    The whole world revolves around GC...


    Even if we learn that...
    GC will still complain he is not getting enough.


    Kinda like a whining child...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Even a law called 'Negligence Per Se' was applied in court. It states that if a person was injured as a result of a law being broken, you must find some fault by the party that broke the law. The jury ignored that too. And, after 11 witnesses and four long days of trial, the jury deliberated for only 20 minutes and found absolutely zero fault by the truck co. They did not review anything nor asked any questions. I guarantee I will be the last cyclist my attorney ever works for.

    It is irrelevant that our court system is the best in the world when an injustice like this took place. It's like saying "the doctor cut off the wrong leg but our doctors are the best."
    I'm sorry to hear how things turned out in your case but unfortunately your experience is very common in our court system today. It is mostly because of the mindset of the people(jury) that have been brainwashed by insurance companies & big business into thinking most personal injury & malpractice cases are a scam. I have family & friends that are attorneys & they told me that you virtually never want to go to trial on a personal injury case unless the jury can see your bodily damages. The main reason insurance companies settle is because of the expense of going to trial & not because they're afraid of losing. They know if they go to trial they're most likely not going to have to pay much if anything at all. The news media always sensationalizes the rare frivolous or big award but you don't hear about the countless awards that were deserved & not given. I was in a mediation one day where the attorney had just came in after losing a personal injury case that he thought was a slam dunk for his client. He asked one the jurors afterwards why they ruled against his client. The guy said the jurors didn't want their insurance rates to go up & that was the main reason they voted the way they did. This is what the average person is up against if they decide to go to trial against an insurance company even though insurance is not even allowed to be mentioned in the courtroom.
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