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    Man-Made Climate Change Promoters Don't Believe in It Themselves (or Don't Care)

    Google’s celeb-obsessed search for climate change answers is a hypocritical joke
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    It doesn’t get more hypocritical than A-listers jetting in on private planes to bemoan climate change at Google’s private party in Sicily this week.

    The Gulfstreams, mega-yachts and gas-guzzling Maserati SUVs used to ferry the wokerati around the seaside Google Camp have been spewing out greenhouse gases at the rate of small nations.

    Former President Barack Obama, actor Leonardo DiCaprio, singer Katy Perry and Prince Harry are said to be among 300 guests invited by Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin to their luxurious annual shindig which has been dubbed “Davos by the Sea.”

    Either they don’t believe climate change is the big problem they keep saying it is, or they just don’t care enough about saving the planet to give up their perks.

    But they can hardly lecture the rest of us on prudent management of the earth’s environment when they’re burning up more than 300 gallons of diesel an hour on their private yachts or spewing tons of CO2 into the air from their private jets.

    Whether it’s the megawatts of power consumed by the sound system at a dusk concert or the bright lights illuminating the ruins of the Temple of Hera where the Google Campers dined under the stars on Monday night, their eco-indulgence knows no bounds.

    For instance, the swanky Verdura resort where they’re staying, on Sicily’s southwestern coast, might have won a sustainability award, but it’s all relative.

    It still features three water-guzzling golf courses, and the whopping carbon footprint of a 60m power hungry infinity pool, four outdoor thalassotherapy pools, steam baths, saunas, dozens of plunge pools and a private beach filled with imported sand flown in using more carbon miles.

    Prince Harry even gave a “barefoot speech” to the billionaires about the need to save the environment, as Page Six reports, only days after vowing that he would confine himself to siring only two children as his personal contribution to saving the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Google’s celeb-obsessed search for climate change answers is a hypocritical joke
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    It doesn’t get more hypocritical than A-listers jetting in on private planes to bemoan climate change at Google’s private party in Sicily this week.

    The Gulfstreams, mega-yachts and gas-guzzling Maserati SUVs used to ferry the wokerati around the seaside Google Camp have been spewing out greenhouse gases at the rate of small nations.

    Former President Barack Obama, actor Leonardo DiCaprio, singer Katy Perry and Prince Harry are said to be among 300 guests invited by Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin to their luxurious annual shindig which has been dubbed “Davos by the Sea.”

    Either they don’t believe climate change is the big problem they keep saying it is, or they just don’t care enough about saving the planet to give up their perks.

    But they can hardly lecture the rest of us on prudent management of the earth’s environment when they’re burning up more than 300 gallons of diesel an hour on their private yachts or spewing tons of CO2 into the air from their private jets.

    Whether it’s the megawatts of power consumed by the sound system at a dusk concert or the bright lights illuminating the ruins of the Temple of Hera where the Google Campers dined under the stars on Monday night, their eco-indulgence knows no bounds.

    For instance, the swanky Verdura resort where they’re staying, on Sicily’s southwestern coast, might have won a sustainability award, but it’s all relative.

    It still features three water-guzzling golf courses, and the whopping carbon footprint of a 60m power hungry infinity pool, four outdoor thalassotherapy pools, steam baths, saunas, dozens of plunge pools and a private beach filled with imported sand flown in using more carbon miles.

    Prince Harry even gave a “barefoot speech” to the billionaires about the need to save the environment, as Page Six reports, only days after vowing that he would confine himself to siring only two children as his personal contribution to saving the planet.

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    Yeah they don't believe in MMCC because most of them are not stubid but are are leftist zealots who are committed to a socialist / communist agenda.

    They want to build up the socialist / communist 3rd world at our expense of the US and the rest of the world's capitalist countries in order to destroy our capitalist economy's. Yeah, Thank you, thank you very much
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    Just like most people, they don’t practice what they preach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksefan View Post
    Just like most people, they don’t practice what they preach.
    True, but most people don't have a celebrity platform upon which to expound the beliefs they don't practice. It seems to me that they would feel a greater degree of responsibility, yet they use their privilege to spread hate and propaganda.

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    I think they believe it, but they also believe they are above us and we "little people" are the ones who much make the sacrifices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Special-K View Post
    I think they believe it, but they also believe they are above us and we "little people" are the ones who much make the sacrifices.
    Or, as Hillary puts it, 'deplorables'.

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    Why would I have any respect for Her opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    Or, as Hillary puts it, 'deplorables'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Why would I have any respect for Her opinion?

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    she missed being 'your' President by this >< much.
    Sorry men, two meme limit.

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    Forbes censors climate article questioning human-caused global warming
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    An August 9th article at the magazine Forbes — discussing the skepticism that many scientists have about human-caused global warming — was removed today by the magazine “for failing to meet our editorial standards.” [Global Warming? An Israeli Astrophysicist Provides Alternative View That Is Not Easy To Reject https://www.forbes.com/sites/doronle.../#5cebfe846945 ]

    Or to put it more accurately, they censored it for failing to follow the knee-jerk blind demands of the global-warming political movement.

    The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) has now published the article in full, so that “interested readers [can] make up their own minds about the research by Nir Shaviv and Henrik Svensmark.” [Against Censorship: The Climate Story Forbes Doesn’t Want You To Read https://www.thegwpf.com/revealed-the.../?preview=true ]

    Read the article. The only things unreasonable in it is the suggestion that there is a 97% consensus among climate scientists. That claim is false, as noted by the authors of the paper [pdf] where the claim comes from, in their own abstract. [Bad climate science, bad climate journalism https://behindtheblack.com/behind-th...omment-1064648]
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    We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW [human-caused global warming], 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. [Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenicglobal warming in the scientific literature https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...ip-10-40-1-105 ]

    What these statistics actually prove is that 66.4% of all climate scientists understand that it is inappropriate to endorse or even reject a theory, when the data is insufficient. The remaining third, whether they endorse or reject human-caused global warming, do not understand the scientific method, in the slightest.

    As for the censored Forbes article, it first outlines some of the most reasonable uncertainties of science surrounding the climate, focusing most specifically on the influence of the Sun, as shown by research by Shaviv and others. Then it notes how the climate community is working to squelch such research, dishonestly, as noted by Shaviv:
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    Any scientist who rejects the UN’s IPCC report, as he does, will have trouble finding work, receiving research grants or publishing, he said.

    I must add that I have interviewed Nir Shaviv myself in connection with several astronomy articles, and found him to be a rigorous and intelligent scientist interested only in pursuing knowledge and the truth.

    The bottom line now however is that the pursuit of knowledge and truth is no longer allowed in the climate field. Step out of line and the modern global warming inquisition will move in quickly to silence you, to smash its jack-booted foot into your face. [https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_orwell_159438 ]

    Hat tip to one of my readers, who when he sent this article to me opened by quoting me and Scott Adams: “They’re coming for you next.” Fortunately, I have tried very hard to anticipate such attacks, which is why I created Behind the Black. This website has made me free and independent of such oppressive tyranny. The only thing that would stop me from expressing my thoughts freely would be a lack of support from my readers. Fortunately, my readers have been increasingly generous, suggesting that they like the idea of freedom and open debate. [“They’re coming for you next.” https://behindtheblack.com/behind-th...-for-you-next/ ]

    https://behindtheblack.com/behind-th...lobal-warming/
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    Alternate energy concepts look great at first glance, but their implementation is more impractical than MMCC alarmists realize.

    More Buckets of Icy Cold Energy Reality
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    Wind and sunshine are free, renewable, sustainable and eco-friendly. However, the lands and raw materials required for technologies to harness this widely dispersed, intermittent, weather-dependent energy to benefit humanity absolutely are not. In fact, their environmental impacts are monumental.

    The Democrat candidates and their supporters want to replace coal and gas backup power plants with batteries, to ensure we have (much more expensive) electricity even when intermittent, weather-dependent wind and sunshine refuse to cooperate with our need for 24/7/365 power for our electricity-based homes, schools, hospitals, factories, businesses, computers, social media, and civilization.

    So let’s suppose we blanket the United States with enough industrial-scale wind and solar facilities to replace the 3.9 billion megawatt-hours Americans used in 2018 – and we manufacture and install enough king-sized batteries to store sufficient electricity for seven straight windless or sunless days.

    We would need something on the order of one billion 100-kilowatt-hour, 1,000-pound lithium and cobalt-based battery packs – similar to what Tesla uses in its electric vehicles. (This does not include the extra battery storage required to charge up the cars, trucks, and buses we are supposed to replace with EVs.)

    All these batteries would support the millions and millions of Green New Deal solar panels and wind turbines we would have to build and install. They would require prodigious amounts of iron, copper, rare earth metals, concrete, and other raw materials. And every one of these batteries, turbines, and panels would have to be replaced far more often than coal, gas, nuclear or hydroelectric power plants.

    Indeed, what are we going do with all those worn-out and broken-down turbines, panels, and batteries? The International Renewable Energy Agency has said disposing of just the worn-out solar panels that the UN wants to be erected around the world by 2050, under the Paris Climate Treaty’s solar energy goals, could result in two times the tonnage of the United States’ total plastic waste in 2017!

    So another icy cold reality is this: All this “free, renewable, sustainable, eco-friendly, ethical” energy would require the biggest expansion in mining the world has ever seen. But when was the last time any environmentalist or Democrat supported opening a single US mine? They detest mining.

    Which brings us to the dirtiest pseudo-renewable, pseudo-sustainable energy secret of all – the one these folks absolutely do not want to talk about: slave and child labor.

    Because of rabid environmentalist opposition, the United States and Europe no longer permit much mining within their borders. They just import minerals – many of them from China and Russia. And the same groups that extol the virtues of wind, solar and battery power are equally opposed to Western mining companies extracting rare earth, lithium, cadmium, cobalt, and other minerals almost anywhere on Planet Earth – even under rigorous Western labor, safety, environmental and reclamation rules.

    That means those materials are mined and processed in places like Baotou, Inner Mongolia, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, mostly under Chinese control. They are dug out and processed by fathers, mothers, and children – under horrific, unsafe, inhumane conditions that few of us can even imagine ... under almost nonexistent labor, wage, health, safety, and pollution standards.

    That renewable energy, high-tech slaves get a few pennies or dollars a day – while risking cave-ins and being exposed constantly to filthy, toxic, radioactive mud, dust, water and air. The mining and industrial areas become vast toxic wastelands, where nothing grows, and no people or wildlife can live.

    For cobalt alone – say UNICEF and Amnesty International – over 40,000 Congolese children, as young as four years old, slave away in mines, from sunrise to sundown, six or even seven days a week. That’s today. Imagine how many will be needed to serve the “ethical green energy utopia.”

    Green New Dealers demand sustainable, ethical, human rights-based coffee, sneakers, T-shirts, handbags, and diamonds. Absolutely no child labor, sweatshop, or toxic, polluted workplace conditions allowed. But they have little or nothing to say about the Chinese, Russian and other companies that run the horrid operations that provide their wind turbines, solar panels, smart grids – and batteries for their cell phones, Teslas, laptops, and backup electrical power.

    I’ve never seen them make ethical wind turbines, solar panels and batteries an issue. They’ve never protested outside a Chinese, Russian or Congolese embassy, or corporate headquarters in Beijing, Moscow or Kinshasa. They probably don’t want to get shot or sent to gulags.

    And just a few weeks ago, California legislators voted down Assembly Bill 735. The bill simply said California would certify that “zero-emission” electric vehicles sold in the state must be free of any materials or components that involve child labor. The issue is complicated, the legislators said. It would be too hard to enforce. It would imperil state climate goals. And besides, lots of other industries also use child labor ... they “explained.”

    As Milton Friedman said, there is no free lunch. Wind, solar, biofuel and battery power are not free, clean, green, renewable or sustainable. America must not let delusion, dishonesty, and ideology drive public policies that will determine our future jobs, prosperity, living standards, freedoms, and civilization.

    What Green New Dealers are talking about has nothing to do with stopping dangerous manmade climate change – or with real sustainability, resource conservation or environmental protection. It has everything to do with increasingly socialist, largely taxpayer-financed activists, politicians, regulators and crony capitalists controlling people’s lives; dictating our energy use, economic growth, job opportunities, and living standards; and getting richer, more powerful and more privileged in the process.

    Meanwhile poor, minority and working-class families – pay the price. And destitute families in hungry, impoverished, electricity-deprived nations pay the highest price. China, India, Indonesia, and Africa are not about to give up their determined efforts to take their rightful, God-given places among Earth’s healthy and prosperous people. They are not going to stop using fossil fuels to reach their goals.

    They are not going to let anyone – including the UN, EU, US Democrats and other eco-imperialists – tell them they can never enjoy those blessings. Or they will be “allowed” to improve their health and living standards only at the margins, only to levels achievable with wind, solar and cow dung power.

    That’s why even as the United States reduced its carbon dioxide emissions by 12% between 2000 and 2017 – India’s plant-fertilizing CO2 emissions soared by 140% and China’s skyrocketed 194% – further greening Planet Earth. In 2019 alone, China alone will add more coal-fired generating capacity than what all existing US coal-fired power plants generate.

    While all these countries continue using more and more fossil fuels to improve their economies, health, and living standards – why in heaven’s name would the United States want to join Green New Dealers and other crazies in an environment-destroying ban-fossil-fuels economic suicide pact?

    https://townhall.com/columnists/paul...ality-n2553450


    As the US turns to green energy, other countries are building more coal-fired power plants.
    https://od-cmg.streamguys1.com/atlan...9fe3241624b692
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    Ever notice the lefties on ARP never comment on this cold hard truth...

    It is like they have selective hearing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Alternate energy concepts look great at first glance, but their implementation is more impractical than MMCC alarmists realize.

    More Buckets of Icy Cold Energy Reality
    .
    Wind and sunshine are free, renewable, sustainable and eco-friendly. However, the lands and raw materials required for technologies to harness this widely dispersed, intermittent, weather-dependent energy to benefit humanity absolutely are not. In fact, their environmental impacts are monumental.

    The Democrat candidates and their supporters want to replace coal and gas backup power plants with batteries, to ensure we have (much more expensive) electricity even when intermittent, weather-dependent wind and sunshine refuse to cooperate with our need for 24/7/365 power for our electricity-based homes, schools, hospitals, factories, businesses, computers, social media, and civilization.

    So let’s suppose we blanket the United States with enough industrial-scale wind and solar facilities to replace the 3.9 billion megawatt-hours Americans used in 2018 – and we manufacture and install enough king-sized batteries to store sufficient electricity for seven straight windless or sunless days.

    We would need something on the order of one billion 100-kilowatt-hour, 1,000-pound lithium and cobalt-based battery packs – similar to what Tesla uses in its electric vehicles. (This does not include the extra battery storage required to charge up the cars, trucks, and buses we are supposed to replace with EVs.)

    All these batteries would support the millions and millions of Green New Deal solar panels and wind turbines we would have to build and install. They would require prodigious amounts of iron, copper, rare earth metals, concrete, and other raw materials. And every one of these batteries, turbines, and panels would have to be replaced far more often than coal, gas, nuclear or hydroelectric power plants.

    Indeed, what are we going do with all those worn-out and broken-down turbines, panels, and batteries? The International Renewable Energy Agency has said disposing of just the worn-out solar panels that the UN wants to be erected around the world by 2050, under the Paris Climate Treaty’s solar energy goals, could result in two times the tonnage of the United States’ total plastic waste in 2017!

    So another icy cold reality is this: All this “free, renewable, sustainable, eco-friendly, ethical” energy would require the biggest expansion in mining the world has ever seen. But when was the last time any environmentalist or Democrat supported opening a single US mine? They detest mining.

    Which brings us to the dirtiest pseudo-renewable, pseudo-sustainable energy secret of all – the one these folks absolutely do not want to talk about: slave and child labor.

    Because of rabid environmentalist opposition, the United States and Europe no longer permit much mining within their borders. They just import minerals – many of them from China and Russia. And the same groups that extol the virtues of wind, solar and battery power are equally opposed to Western mining companies extracting rare earth, lithium, cadmium, cobalt, and other minerals almost anywhere on Planet Earth – even under rigorous Western labor, safety, environmental and reclamation rules.

    That means those materials are mined and processed in places like Baotou, Inner Mongolia, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, mostly under Chinese control. They are dug out and processed by fathers, mothers, and children – under horrific, unsafe, inhumane conditions that few of us can even imagine ... under almost nonexistent labor, wage, health, safety, and pollution standards.

    That renewable energy, high-tech slaves get a few pennies or dollars a day – while risking cave-ins and being exposed constantly to filthy, toxic, radioactive mud, dust, water and air. The mining and industrial areas become vast toxic wastelands, where nothing grows, and no people or wildlife can live.

    For cobalt alone – say UNICEF and Amnesty International – over 40,000 Congolese children, as young as four years old, slave away in mines, from sunrise to sundown, six or even seven days a week. That’s today. Imagine how many will be needed to serve the “ethical green energy utopia.”

    Green New Dealers demand sustainable, ethical, human rights-based coffee, sneakers, T-shirts, handbags, and diamonds. Absolutely no child labor, sweatshop, or toxic, polluted workplace conditions allowed. But they have little or nothing to say about the Chinese, Russian and other companies that run the horrid operations that provide their wind turbines, solar panels, smart grids – and batteries for their cell phones, Teslas, laptops, and backup electrical power.

    I’ve never seen them make ethical wind turbines, solar panels and batteries an issue. They’ve never protested outside a Chinese, Russian or Congolese embassy, or corporate headquarters in Beijing, Moscow or Kinshasa. They probably don’t want to get shot or sent to gulags.

    And just a few weeks ago, California legislators voted down Assembly Bill 735. The bill simply said California would certify that “zero-emission” electric vehicles sold in the state must be free of any materials or components that involve child labor. The issue is complicated, the legislators said. It would be too hard to enforce. It would imperil state climate goals. And besides, lots of other industries also use child labor ... they “explained.”

    As Milton Friedman said, there is no free lunch. Wind, solar, biofuel and battery power are not free, clean, green, renewable or sustainable. America must not let delusion, dishonesty, and ideology drive public policies that will determine our future jobs, prosperity, living standards, freedoms, and civilization.

    What Green New Dealers are talking about has nothing to do with stopping dangerous manmade climate change – or with real sustainability, resource conservation or environmental protection. It has everything to do with increasingly socialist, largely taxpayer-financed activists, politicians, regulators and crony capitalists controlling people’s lives; dictating our energy use, economic growth, job opportunities, and living standards; and getting richer, more powerful and more privileged in the process.

    Meanwhile poor, minority and working-class families – pay the price. And destitute families in hungry, impoverished, electricity-deprived nations pay the highest price. China, India, Indonesia, and Africa are not about to give up their determined efforts to take their rightful, God-given places among Earth’s healthy and prosperous people. They are not going to stop using fossil fuels to reach their goals.

    They are not going to let anyone – including the UN, EU, US Democrats and other eco-imperialists – tell them they can never enjoy those blessings. Or they will be “allowed” to improve their health and living standards only at the margins, only to levels achievable with wind, solar and cow dung power.

    That’s why even as the United States reduced its carbon dioxide emissions by 12% between 2000 and 2017 – India’s plant-fertilizing CO2 emissions soared by 140% and China’s skyrocketed 194% – further greening Planet Earth. In 2019 alone, China alone will add more coal-fired generating capacity than what all existing US coal-fired power plants generate.

    While all these countries continue using more and more fossil fuels to improve their economies, health, and living standards – why in heaven’s name would the United States want to join Green New Dealers and other crazies in an environment-destroying ban-fossil-fuels economic suicide pact?

    https://townhall.com/columnists/paul...ality-n2553450


    As the US turns to green energy, other countries are building more coal-fired power plants.
    https://od-cmg.streamguys1.com/atlan...9fe3241624b692
    Yeah, basing our entire existence on a finite resource like FFs has got us in to a pickle. The reality that we need better solutions doesn't make the problem go away. It makes the problem worse!!!

    To summarize...

    FFs are sh1t for the planet. Renewables are nearly as bad. Some GND fear mongering. An acknowledgement at the bottom of CO2 emissions being bad. But everyone else is polluting so let's do it too.

    The funniest part is about mining to make renewable products. How the frig to people think coal/oil/gas get out of the ground? Or the raw materials needed to construct FF pipelines, refineries, etc.?

    You would have to be an idiot to read this garbage and not see the hypocrisy.

    Yawn.

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