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    Correct. They can be almost static, to moving much quicker. The average speed really means nothing when talking about a specific glacier. You could probably Google it to learn the answer.


    Quote Originally Posted by gustavhorna View Post
    that's what happens when people with no scientific education try to "reason" about nature.... it is very simple, the glaciers are not static, they origin somewhere in the upper mountains and flow downwards with time. So if the airplane crashed in the Alps it was taken by the snow masses and became part of the glacier, moving downward with the ice.

    Melting glaciers just means they are not rebuilt quick enough in the upper parts to replace the melting lower part. Nothing unnatural here.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

    Did you really need the " If you were a real tech " ??

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    It amazes me how little some know about the planet they live on. Have any of you seen pictures of people skating on rivers in the old days in Europe, long before all this goofy crap one hears today, before automobiles etc.

    Some of you need to go back to school and learn something about the planet you live on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    It amazes me how little some know about the planet they live on. Have any of you seen pictures of people skating on rivers in the old days in Europe, long before all this goofy crap one hears today, before automobiles etc.
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    and so? How does this contradict global warming? Did we have a cold wave in Europe in the last 100 years? Or rather it was much colder _before_ all the fossil fuels burning started at a large scale?

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    Scientists reveal how the fossil fuel industry misled the public about climate change.

    The key points in the report are:

    1. Internal corporate documents show that the fossil fuel industry has known about human-caused climate change for decades. Its response was to actively arrange and fund denial and disinformation to suppress action and protect its status quo business operations.

    2. As the scientific consensus on climate change emerged and strengthened, the industry and its political allies attacked the consensus and exaggerated the uncertainties.

    3. The fossil fuel industry offered no consistent alternative explanation for why the climate was changing—the goal was merely to undermine support for action.

    4. The strategy, tactics, infrastructure, and rhetorical arguments and techniques used by fossil fuel interests to challenge the scientific evidence of climate change—including cherry picking, fake experts, and conspiracy theories—come straight out of the tobacco industry's playbook for delaying tobacco control.

    5. Informing the public about how these arguments are deceptive not only begins to correct the misconceptions, but also will make it harder for future campaigns to use these misleading tactics to confuse the public.

    https://www.climatechangecommunicati...ica_Misled.pdf

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    Politics is attempting to corrupt science.

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/20...igation-054360

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    Lahrs: once the CO2 molecules are in the atmosphere, there is no technology to remove them on a large scale. And even if, it would require more energy than was generated when that coal/oil/etc was burned, so we are fuc***. Heavily fuc****. Human extinction is inevitable.

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    That statement is correct. At least if we look at history. After all, 90% of all life that has ever existed on Earth became extinct before man ever showed up. So it only follows that we will one day become extinct. In fact, if you look at the odds, we only have a 10% chance of surviving.


    Quote Originally Posted by gustavhorna View Post
    Lahrs: once the CO2 molecules are in the atmosphere, there is no technology to remove them on a large scale. And even if, it would require more energy than was generated when that coal/oil/etc was burned, so we are fuc***. Heavily fuc****. Human extinction is inevitable.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

    Did you really need the " If you were a real tech " ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Scientists reveal how the fossil fuel industry misled the public about climate change.

    The key points in the report are:

    1. Internal corporate documents show that the fossil fuel industry has known about human-caused climate change for decades. Its response was to actively arrange and fund denial and disinformation to suppress action and protect its status quo business operations.

    2. As the scientific consensus on climate change emerged and strengthened, the industry and its political allies attacked the consensus and exaggerated the uncertainties.

    3. The fossil fuel industry offered no consistent alternative explanation for why the climate was changing—the goal was merely to undermine support for action.

    4. The strategy, tactics, infrastructure, and rhetorical arguments and techniques used by fossil fuel interests to challenge the scientific evidence of climate change—including cherry picking, fake experts, and conspiracy theories—come straight out of the tobacco industry's playbook for delaying tobacco control.

    5. Informing the public about how these arguments are deceptive not only begins to correct the misconceptions, but also will make it harder for future campaigns to use these misleading tactics to confuse the public.

    https://www.climatechangecommunicati...ica_Misled.pdf
    Lahrs, this was not a consensus it was and articles written by 4 individual. I don't see where the remaining 97% of all scientist agreed and confirmed it to be true... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Answer-Man View Post
    Lahrs, this was not a consensus it was and articles written by 4 individual. I don't see where the remaining 97% of all scientist agreed and confirmed it to be true... LOL
    I read somewhere where the 97% came from a meeting where there were less than 100 scientist. All the scientist agreed except a couple so 97% were in agreement from the meeting and that is your 97% not all scientist. Of course this information has been poo-pooed by those that want to push climate change as being mis information to fool the masses.

    Always amazes me that all info against MMCC is mis information but all for MMCC is gospel.

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    I watched a video of one of the now Climate Denier Scientist, Dr Patrick Michael. He was once the leader of the global warming scientist until he figured out it was not real so now he is a heretic. He claimed when he looked at the list of those who Agreed /Approved the report that MMCC was real he found his name on the list. So he asked why. They (he did not say who "they" was) told him" well you said "Man" might have some influence on the readings collected. Therefore you agreed MMCC was real. His response was but MMCC is not real or the real man made part is of no consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BNME8EZ View Post

    Always amazes me that all info against MMCC is mis information but all for MMCC is gospel.
    Not at all amazing. MMCC is real.

    Of course there is still alot to learn...

    Some findings reduce the affects of CC: https://earthsky.org/earth/ice-cliff...sea-level-rise

    Some findings increase the affects of CC: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...ay-be-imminent

    And then there is all the political movements that trigger people and distract from good science: https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-adventure/amp

    But despite all this, fundamental scientific principles stay true: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571847387090

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Not at all amazing. MMCC is real.

    Of course there is still alot to learn...

    Some findings reduce the affects of CC: https://earthsky.org/earth/ice-cliff...sea-level-rise

    Some findings increase the affects of CC: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...ay-be-imminent

    And then there is all the political movements that trigger people and distract from good science: https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-adventure/amp

    But despite all this, fundamental scientific principles stay true: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571847387090
    Just unbelievable Lars. You must have been a teacher's pet. Soaking up everything you were told by some one in "authority". Yeah. Geez. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Not at all amazing. MMCC is real.

    Of course there is still alot to learn...

    Some findings reduce the affects of CC: https://earthsky.org/earth/ice-cliff...sea-level-rise

    Some findings increase the affects of CC: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...ay-be-imminent

    And then there is all the political movements that trigger people and distract from good science: https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-adventure/amp

    But despite all this, fundamental scientific principles stay true: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571847387090
    Sure that's your belief but when someone like Dr Patrick Michael is brought up in Answer Man's post then he will be discounted as someone that can't be trusted, pharted once in public or some such nonsense. Only Approved climates scientists are allowed to have a valid opinion, everyone else can't be trusted cause they are evil deniers. It's the same old argument "My guy is right , your's is wrong".

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