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    Medieval diseases, gangs, corruption, crime, crumbling infrastructure, out-of-touch wealthy elites = "third world countries" -

    ‘Third World” is of course now an anachronistic geographical term of the old Cold War. But after 1989, “Third World” was re-invented from a political noun into an adjective to mean more than just Asian, African, and Latin American nations non-aligned with either the West or the Soviet bloc. Rather, the current modifier “Third World” has come to transcend geography, politics, and ethnicity. It simply denotes poor failed states all over the globe of all races and religions.

    Third World characteristics are, predictably: corrupt government, unequal or nonexistent applicability of the law, two rather than three classes, and the return of medieval diseases. Third World nations suffer from high taxes and poor social services, premodern infrastructure and utilities, poor transportation, tribalism, gangs, and lack of security.

    Another chief characteristic of a Third World society is the official denial of all of the above, and a vindictive, almost hysterical, state response to anyone who points out those obvious tragedies. Another is massive out-migration. Residents prefer almost any country other than their own. Think present-day Somalia, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, or Guatemala.

    21st-century California ever increasingly fits that definition - despite having the nation’s most amenable climate and most beautiful and diverse geography, with major natural ports facing the generally dynamic Asian economies, and being naturally rich in timber, agriculture, mining, and energy, and blessed with a prior century’s inheritance of effective local and state government.

    By many criteria, 21st-century California is both the poorest and the richest state in the union. Almost 25% of the population of California lives below the poverty line. Another 20% is categorized as 'near the poverty level'. These are facts which were not true during the latter 20th century. fully A Third of America's welfare recipients now live in California. California has the highest homeless population in the nation (135,000). About 22 percent of the nation’s total homeless population reside in California - whose economy is the largest in the U.S. - an economy which fuels the greatest numbers of American billionaires and high-income zip codes.

    But the California middle class is shrinking - because of massive regulation, high taxation, green zoning, and accompanying high housing prices. Out-migration from the state remains largely a phenomenon of the middle and upper-middle classes. Millions have left California in the past 30 years, replaced by indigent and often illegal immigrants, often along with the young, affluent, and single.

    If someone predicted 50 years ago that a Los Angeles police station or indeed; L.A. City Hall, would be in danger of periodic, flea-borne infectious typhus outbreaks, he would have been considered unhinged. After all, the American city that gave us the modern freeway system is not supposed to resemble sixth-century Constantinople. Yet typhus, along with outbreaks of infectious hepatitis A, are in the news on California streets. The sidewalks of the state’s major cities are homes to piles of used needles, feces, and refuse. Hygienists warn that permissive municipal governments are setting the stage - through spiking populations of history’s banes of fleas, lice, and rats - for possible dark-age outbreaks of plague or worse.

    High tech does it's part not to clean the streets but to create defecation apps that electronically warn tourists and resident hoi polloi how to avoid walking blindly into piles of sidewalk excrement. In Californian logic, public defecation butts up against progressive tolerance, so it is exempt from the law. Yet for a suburbanite to build a patio without a permit, for just one example, costs Dearly in fines. Indeed, a new patio without a permit can apparently be deemed more dangerous to the public health than piles of excrement in the public workplace.

    One out of three Californians who enters a hospital for ANY cause is now found to be suffering from either diabetes or pre-diabetes, an epidemic that hits the Hispanic community especially hard - but which has not led to effective public-health efforts and sufficient publicity. State-run dialysis clinics now dot the towns and communities of the Central Valley - a tragic symptom of dietary culture, massive illegal immigration, and poor public-health education.

    California’s transportation system, once the symbol of American innovation, is in near ruins. Despite the highest gas taxes in the nation, Not One of it's major trans-state freeways: not the 99, not I-5, not the 101 - after 70 years of use - are yet completed with six lanes, resulting in dangerous bottlenecks and wrecks. Driving the 99 south of Visalia, or the 101 near Paso Robles, or the 5 north of Coalinga is right out of Road Warrior - although not as dangerous as the fossilized two-line feeder lines such as 152 into Gilroy, or the 41 west of Kettleman City. The unspoken transportation credo of Jerry Brown’s total 16 Years as governor apparently was: “If you don’t build it, maybe they won’t need it.”

    Meanwhile the concrete carcass of the recently cancelled multibillion-dollar high-speed rail system dots the skyline over Fresno. Bureaucrats now insist that more billions must be spent to ensure that a short segment of the least traveled route will be finished, though they obviously do not anticipate spurring a new tourist or commercial corridor between Merced and Bakersfield.

    High-speed-rail gurus insist on salvaging something of the boondoggle not because they have an economic rationale justifying more dollars - the funds would be far better invested in improving freeways, airports, and rails - but largely out of pride and shame that demand some small token rescued from a very bad pipe dream.

    In 1973 the roads in Greece, the roads were medieval. The old Hellinikon Airport was dysfunctional, if not creepy. Highway rest stops were filthy - it was all a disgusting primitive mess. In the 45 years since then the freeways, chief airport, and rest stops of relatively poor Greece have become far better than are California’s. LAX’s poor road access, traffic, uncleanness, crowds, and chaos seem pre-modern compared with the current Athenian airport.

    How eerie is it to to see America’s once premier state, currently at it's supposed acme, now resemble primitive Greece of a half-century ago - while 2019 Greece seems more like a functioning 1973 California? <g> Yes; Athens and Thessaloniki are still dirty in a few places, and there are a few homeless and, of course; some illegal immigrants. But in Greece you do not needles and feces on the sidewalks, and; it is safe to walk in the evening. Greek public restrooms, once notorious, are far more sanitary than those at rest stops in Fresno, San Francisco, or Los Angeles.

    Power outrages are characteristic of Third World countries. Those in California the days are advised to brace for lots of them, given that the antiquated power grid apparently contributes to brush fires on hot days. Was there ever a time in California's past that state utilities spoke of shutting down service in the manner that they now routinely promise?

    Crime in California the last three years has increased. And it is epidemic in local jails. San Francisco has the highest property-crime rate per capita of any major city. The California prison system is a mess, and sanctuary cities ensure that illegal aliens charged with crimes will not be deported. Pick up a McClatchy paper and you can see that the day’s fare of Central Valley criminality, even after sanitization and editorialization, is mind-boggling.

    California’s cycles of wet boom years and dry bust years continue because the state refuses to build three or four additional large reservoirs that have been planned for more than a half-century, and that would store enough water to keep California functional through even the worst drought. The rationale is either that it is more sophisticated to allow millions of acre-feet of melted snow to run into the sea, or it is better to have a high-speed-rail line from Merced to Bakersfield than an additional 10 million acre-feet of water storage, or droughts ensure more state control through rationing and green social-policy remedies.

    27% of Californians were not born in the United States - with a large minority of them residing in the United States illegally. Yet California’s universities and popular culture are at the forefront of salad-bowl and identity-politics policies that obstruct assimilation, integration, and intermarriage - which are the historical remedies for the natural tensions that arise within multi-racial and multi-ethnic societies. But, in this perfect-storm, at the very moment the world’s poorest citizens from Oaxaca and Central America flooded into America, de facto rejecting the protocols of their home, their hosts’ messaging to them was that they should lodge complaints about the social injustice of their new home and romanticize the culture that they had just forsaken for good cause.

    California schools are usually in the bottom decile of national rankings. No one in polite conversation asks why that is so, given that the state’s K–12 schools used to be among the most competitive in the United States.

    Yet, again in medieval fashion, the professional schools and science and technology departments of California’s premier research universities — Cal Tech, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UCLA, USC - are among the highest-rated in the world. Imagine something like the scribal oases of Padua, Oxford, or Paris in an otherwise frightening 13th century. If one wishes to be schooled as an electrical engineer or cancer researcher, California is an attractive place; if one wishes to be a knowledgeable graduate of a public elementary and high school, it most certainly is not.

    California’s Department of Motor Vehicles is perhaps the worst public-service entity in the United States. To enter any branch office is to venture into a Dante’s Inferno of huge lines, chaos, unkept rest rooms, and rude and often incompetent unionized employees. The only efficient DMV office in the state is the unmarked and secret branch in Sacramento reserved for state legislators and grandee insiders who oversee the DMV for the rest of the population. For a fee, concierge private auto clubs and firms often duplicate some DMV services, a de facto admission that the state needs something else besides itself to offer basic services.

    The California DMV scandals are multifarious: Thousands of motor-voter registrations sent to the wrong people, including illegal aliens supposedly ineligible to vote; corrupt employees who sell commercial truck driver’s licenses to the unqualified; and private corporations, and occasionally individuals, selling hard-to-obtain reservations and appointments.

    California now has the nation’s highest basket of sales, gas, and income taxes. With a state surplus, and a slowing economy, one would think that the legislature and governor would pause before even considering raising more taxes. After all, new federal tax law limits write-offs of state and local taxes to $10,000 — radically spiking upper-bracket Californians’ federal tax liabilities.

    Yet the rule in California is to punish the upper middle class while pandering to the rich and romanticizing the poor. Thus, the legislature is now considering a punitive new inheritance tax, and it just imposed an Internet sales tax.

    Again, the message is that if Californians can survive a recent 13.3 percent top state-income-tax rate, and a vast increase in their federal tax liability, then certainly they can be easily squeezed further after death to pony up 40 percent of their already taxed estates that are over $3 million in value. Translated, that can mean that a tract house in Los Angeles or the Bay Area and a modest 401K are proof that you did not build your wealth on your own, so the state has a second shot at appropriating your postmortem capital, to ensure that your children will see no benefit from your parsimony and thrift.

    California’s apocalyptic present has created an alternate universe, in good Third World style, of pay-for-play services. To avoid the emergency room progressive Californians often pay for concierge medicine and anything private to avoid at all costs using any state services.

    The coastal corridor elite often put their kids in tony prep schools that have sprung up or vastly expanded, in the fashion of the 1960's white Southern academies that were designed to circumvent federal desegregation edicts. Elite progressives mimic old-style, 1960's segregationists but feel that their children’s green and multicultural curricula offer enough penance to assuage their guilt over abandoning the state’s much praised “diverse” schools.

    What caused this lunacy?

    A polarity of importing massive poverty from south of the border while pandering to those who control unprecedented wealth in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, the tourism industry, and the marquee universities. Massive green regulations and boutique zoning, soaring taxes, increasing crime, identity politics and tribalism, and radical one-party progressive government were force multipliers. It is common to blame California Republicans for their own demise. They have much to account for, but in some sense, the state simply deported conservative voters and imported their left-wing replacements.

    In a reductionist sense, perhaps if former governor Jerry Brown knew that he would one day retire to Delano and drive the 99 daily, rather than to Grass Valley, with several state pensions in his bank account, or if Dianne Feinstein dwelled in an East Palo Alto or Redwood City residence rather than in Pacific Heights, or if all the Pelosi grandchildren had to attend state public schools, then the architects of 21st-century California might have had to live with the consequences of their own dreams and been less eager to inflict their nightmares on the other 40 million Californians.

    But then again, such a radical divergence between a few insider elites and a massive underclass, with little in between, is perhaps what best defines “Third World.”
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    Interesting but I have to ask, did you write this?

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    Mostly no. I skim-read the article somewhere and liked as much of it as I got at the time so much that I C&P'ed it into an email to myself so I could pour over it later at leisure.

    I found it in my email a couple hours ago and while reading it - could not resist editing it to 'read better'. (it's a sickness I have <g>).

    After reworking it a bit I liked it even more - and then I thought to post it here for your review.

    99% not my work. <g>

    I used to invest in banks and that requires researching large scale demographics. So I already knew that for 20-30 years there has been a net out-migration of 'regular people with money' from California. Definition for my use: people worth at least $500K+. So the article's mention of that fact is what originally caught my attention in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender60 View Post
    Interesting but I have to ask, did you write this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Mostly no. I skim-read the article somewhere and liked as much of it as I got at the time so much that I C&P'ed it into an email to myself so I could pour over it later at leisure.

    I found it in my email a couple hours ago and while reading it - could not resist editing it to 'read better'. (it's a sickness I have <g>).

    After reworking it a bit I liked it even more - and then I thought to post it here for your review.

    99% not my work. <g>

    I used to invest in banks and that requires researching large scale demographics. So I already knew that for 20-30 years there has been a net out-migration of 'regular people with money' from California. Definition for my use: people worth at least $500K+. So the article's mention of that fact is what originally caught my attention in particular.

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    Two things. First, I have found it is always preferable to cite your sources as plagiarism is more than a nasty word.

    Now to the meat of what you posted. I have only visited California, never lived there. Beautiful state for sure. Wonderful coast line, mountains, etc. Yet you could not pay me enough to live there. That is all I am gonna say about that.

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    PHM,

    This is pretty much the case with California. Lived there for over 20 years from Sacramento to LA. What a mess the political idiots have made of a state that is so diverse and beautiful. All I can say is, "What a shame."

    The real shame is that I do not think it is fixable.
    Can someone please explain to me -
    Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it twice?


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    The article is by Victor Davis Hanson and published by National Review Online.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nfrastructure/

    He’s an excellent writer. Take a look at some of his other work.

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    Bless Victor Davis Hanson
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    The irony is that CA looks the worst to those that do not live here. Kinda like being annoyed by a car that you do not drive.

    If you have a high enough income, CA looks a lot better.

    If all you do is work, come home and watch the news, it must suck. But if you are an outdoors-person...nothing compares imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    The irony is that CA looks the worst to those that do not live here. Kinda like being annoyed by a car that you do not drive.

    If you have a high enough income, CA looks a lot better.

    If all you do is work, come home and watch the news, it must suck. But if you are an outdoors-person...nothing compares imo.
    I lived there... Missouri is better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post
    I lived there... Missouri is better
    My wife grew up in Missouri and would never go back. Neither would her mother or sisters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    My wife grew up in Missouri and would never go back. Neither would her mother or sisters.
    Fair enough...however people are flocking out of California and into Missouri and similar states..Our weather sucks..yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri Guy View Post
    Fair enough...however people are flocking out of California and into Missouri and similar states..Our weather sucks..yes
    I will leave here too when I retire...too expensive, too many Liberals, too crowded, too many tree huggers, too many taxes, too many people that found a way not to work, etc.

    I am enjoying it now while the money is flowing and I live in a white, crime-free area. But reduce the income and I'm out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    I will leave here too when I retire...too expensive, too many Liberals, too crowded, too many tree huggers, too many taxes, too many people that found a way not to work, etc.

    I am enjoying it now while the money is flowing and I live in a white, crime-free area. But reduce the income and I'm out of here.
    As long as business is treating you good...you are kinda stuck there lol.
    But yeah there are plenty of places which are great for retiring if you have a little money saved up.
    If you do go to the Midwest.. very humid summers and a dozen or two of some pretty cold days in the winter... It ts the humidity I can't stand here
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