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    For what it is worth . . .

    Yes.

    There are other things out there
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Another possibility is like what I get back from my devoutly Christian brother. He isn't interested in the least because, IMO, he knows what it would do the most read history book of all time...The Bible. It would cast great doubt on its accuracy if that important fact was left out or misinterpreted by the writers.

    Ezekiel saw that wheel way up in the middle of the air. Ezekiel saw that wheel a whirlen way in the middle of the air.

    Well the big wheels runs by faith and little wheel run by grace of God, that wheel a whirlen way in the middle of the air....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian8383 View Post
    So then a logical minds realizes the FOIA is the reason the declassified info is in the hands of the public.

    They didn't release the footage for any other reason. It was 100% the result of the FOIA. They were forced to and did it in a way based on the best possible PR option they were left with.

    So coolwhip's comment "The military isn't just releasing it" perfectly describes the facts of its release.
    If one just had a logical mind or knew what he was talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian8383 View Post
    So then a logical minds realizes the FOIA is the reason the declassified info is in the hands of the public.
    When a Lamborghini appears on your driveway, it isn't because you just purchased it, it's because they dropped the price from $300K to $30K which made it possible for you to purchase it.

    You can't just use The FOIA to obtain a secret or classified document. It must be declassified first, which has never been done before with a video of a UFO.

    They didn't release the footage for any other reason. It was 100% the result of the FOIA. They were forced to and did it in a way based on the best possible PR option they were left with.
    Who or what forced them to declassify that video? You are out of your realm, dude.

    So coolwhip's comment "The military isn't just releasing it" perfectly describes the facts of its release.
    If you left your son's bike on the sidewalk all night and it got stolen, would the cause be 100% the fault of the thief? Would you have played a part in that?

    A logical mind would say that there is shared blame and fault. That it is more your fault than the thief's because you knew that if you left the bike out it would likely get stolen. But then you want to live in the days of Andy of Mayberry so you'd take zero blame.

    Using The FOIA is like using the US Mail. When suing someone, the courts allow you to obtain documents, not the US Mail.

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    So they ran the show once and that's it?
    Was non stop mountain men for the last two days.
    Ratings must have sucked. If it was anything like big news or something anyone was interested in wouldn't it be 24-7?

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    Anything more than the trailer during the show or was that basically it with commercial breaks every five minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsiceman View Post
    Anything more than the trailer during the show or was that basically it with commercial breaks every five minutes?
    I gave you guys a heads up to punch it in to your DVR's. It gave a lot of background as to the high level positions of the folks on this panel. But the main event that episode showcased was the Nimitz Carrier encounter that happened off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

    If you are interested in that event it is examined in detail here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE

    In short; Multiple radar returns by our best radar system were observed by the USS Princeton for weeks preceding the encounter. F-18's were then sent to the area. Multiple pilots engaged the 40', white, round object and it was on camera and radar performing moves we cannot do. It also had no heat signature.

    Watch the video. It goes into much more detail than the show you missed...with no commercials.

    The 'tinfoil hat' days have come to an end!

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    Probably have to give some credit to Art Bell and George Noory, Coast to Coast AM has educated a mass of people.

    There have been many incidents witnessed by very credible people, sort of impossible to not believe that UFO's exist. Heck, that incident at O'Hair airport should have clinched the deal. The tower even directed planes that were landing to avoid the object which was hovering close by.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    Again, I have no dog in the hunt. Maybe so, maybe no. But the context of this thread demonstrates that there's no conclusive evidence. I agree that there are credible parties who have seen what they believe to be evidence, but there is nothing to point to that will put the matter to rest. If the Government (or some other body) does have incontrovertible evidence, they have yet to publish it.

    If these events are real and they are aliens, they're very discreet, since, as far as we know they have not made themselves known in any intentional overt way. There are accounts of encounters, but again, nothing to hang one's hat on.

    One does have to wonder why they haven't made some sort of move to make contact. Perhaps they have and the Government is sitting on it. That would imply that "they" respect the chain of command.

    I suppose it could be as BBeerme theorized...that the 'UFOs' are actually humanity in the future, meaning making contact could be dangerous to the 'timeline', but all of the information we have can only be considered conjecture until such as time as either there is hard evidence via contact or indisputable documentation.

    At this point, the question may be, what difference does it make whether one believes or not? How does it change anything? If they are real, nothing will change in our way of life or our planet unless they make themselves known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian8383 View Post
    So then a logical minds realizes the FOIA is the reason the declassified info is in the hands of the public.

    They didn't release the footage for any other reason. It was 100% the result of the FOIA. They were forced to and did it in a way based on the best possible PR option they were left with.

    So coolwhip's comment "The military isn't just releasing it" perfectly describes the facts of its release.
    Thank you Brian, I knew a rational mind would pick up on what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    Again, I have no dog in the hunt. Maybe so, maybe no. But the context of this thread demonstrates that there's no conclusive evidence. I agree that there are credible parties who have seen what they believe to be evidence, but there is nothing to point to that will put the matter to rest. If the Government (or some other body) does have incontrovertible evidence, they have yet to publish it.
    There is a fine line between "conclusive" evidence and enough evidence. The radar system that was used to detect these objects is our very best, state-of-the-art system. There is no better system! Also, the pilots that we have fly our best fighter jets are the best trained observers we have. Coupling these two facts, it can be certain that something was there and both of these forms of validation can hardly be wrong. We are so reliant upon these two forms of validation that we would use them to shoot a plane out of the sky, passengers and all.

    If these events are real and they are aliens, they're very discreet, since, as far as we know they have not made themselves known in any intentional overt way. There are accounts of encounters, but again, nothing to hang one's hat on.
    True, they are discreet and stay out of our plain view, but one step at a time. First we should be convinced that they are there. Then we can try to understand their intent or their possible involvement in our history.

    One does have to wonder why they haven't made some sort of move to make contact. Perhaps they have and the Government is sitting on it. That would imply that "they" respect the chain of command.
    Our govt may have the smoking gun but no witnesses have testified that they know anything more than we do.

    I suppose it could be as BBeerme theorized...that the 'UFOs' are actually humanity in the future, meaning making contact could be dangerous to the 'timeline', but all of the information we have can only be considered conjecture until such as time as either there is hard evidence via contact or indisputable documentation.
    It could be that they follow the Prime Directive that was coined by Gene Roddenberry on Star Trek. That is of non-intervention. They may know that all we want from them is their technology so we can kill people easier.

    At this point, the question may be, what difference does it make whether one believes or not? How does it change anything? If they are real, nothing will change in our way of life or our planet unless they make themselves known.
    Very true. It won't change much unless they show themselves and have an open dialogue, which doesn't seem to be in the cards. I understand why folks are not interested in this subject but to me, it is the biggest game changer regarding our history and possibly our origin.

    What is frustrating to me is that the same folks that denied the existence of these craft, when faced with this level of verification, will simply change their response to "who cares." They will rare say "OMG, how wrong were we!"

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    I haven't followed alien threads at HT so I haven't heard anyone who understands how large the universe is believe there isn't life out there.
    It is disappointing when it comes up that it is always presented and produced for entertainment and profit.

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    I suspect you guys are not watching this series but an F-18 pilot, who is also an aerospace engineer, went on record saying that he and 50 - 60 of his fellow fighter pilots have had close, visual contacts with these strange objects. It happened along the East Coast in 2015 for one month off the USS Roosevelt. When one shot between him and his wingman he said "enough, I am filing an incident report." Afterwards he was never contacted, debriefed or spoken to about it, which means they know about it but want to keep their heads buried in the sand.

    We are seeing huge advancements in the UFO topic. Not in getting answers about who they are, but that they are real, solid craft that generate no heat and can go 20,000mph at low attitudes.

    When will the Pentagon tell us what they know about these craft?

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