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    Quote Originally Posted by vin lashon View Post
    What party should he have run under? The threat to start his own party was toothless. Fact is he owned the Repub nomination. The Election process caters to 2 parties. A 3rd party will only split the vote.

    Remember, he ran on the platform of draining the swamp, which includes Republicans (from whom he has had much opposition and resistance). He may not be doing it fast enough or to the satisfaction of all, but he is doing it.

    The most accurate 'box' to place Trump in is "Outsider", since that's what he is.
    People were fed up with the republican party, that's why they voted for Trump!


    I was one of them. The republican party left me years ago. I did not vote republican, I voted TRUMP!

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    They can fly half way or all the way around the world; yes. but they can't do it in zero minutes.

    If you had aggressive enemies with air power would you want them in Fargo, North Dakota or in Dededo Village, Guam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    . . . . There is a military tactical issue, not wanting russia or china digging into our 'sphere of influence', but this is no cuban crisis issue. Modern bombers can fly half-way around the world, drop bombs, and be home for dinner. ICBMs these days have no range limit. Closer proximity might be a problem, but I don't think SA is a big deal . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    They can fly half way or all the way around the world; yes. but they can't do it in zero minutes.

    If you had aggressive enemies with air power would you want them in Fargo, North Dakota or in Dededo Village, Guam?

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    Distance matters, but failezualia is not mexico, still a long way off. Enough room for intercept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Distance matters, but failezualia is not mexico, still a long way off. Enough room for intercept.


    Maybe... however if the intercept ends up crashing in, Mexico...
    That is not gonna be as good as if it crashes in the ocean.

    Distance DOES matter...
    And as far as I am concerned...

    NO anti USA folks in the western hemisphere...
    NONE, NADA, NO exceptions.

    Yeah, there is some influence now...
    However that can be changed with some positive political persuasion...
    Which would be in the best interest of the USA anyways!
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    With the number of "Republicans"/ Conservatives, that voted for Trump, ... I'm thinking that he could have started another "Party", & Won.

    But, ... when "Abrams", "Bolton", & "Pompeo", & a few others,become Advisors/ Cabinet members, .... That's not "Draining th' Swamp" Vin.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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    The American Puppet "Guaido", ... Who never received one vote towards making him President of Venezuela from any Citizen of Venezuela, & yet somehow, in this Satanic World of Regime Change, is recognized by the Trump Administration as the "Lawful President of Venezuela", which has led to threats of Military Intervention by America, if Maduro does not stand down as President.

    That's Bullcrap, ....

    And, what the Warhawks in Washington are doing absolutely goes against what this country used to stand for.

    Venezuela, was not invaded by Cuba, Russia, China, Iran, nor ISIS, or Hezbollah.

    Those Groups & Nations were Invited there, by the Rulers of that Country.

    Per Our Heritage & Constitution, .... We/ America, ... Have No Right, to Force another Nation, to Change it's Form of Government, because it opposes what Washington &/or Wallstreet desire &/or demands.

    In Fact, since the end of World War Two, ..... The American Government has set out to "Force it's Will" upon many Nations, by carrying out Undeclared Wars, designated as "Police Actions", that have served to only make Huge Profits for the "Military-Industrial Complex" that President Eisenhower Warned America about before he left Office in the 1950s.

    America, technically is still at War with N. Korea, ....America invaded Viet Nam over the FUBARED Lie "The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, & after at least 50,000 dead Americans, & Millions of Vietnamese,.... America accomplished NOTHING, but a Fatal Black Eye, & called it "Withdrawal with Honor". Even "IF" The Gulf of Tonkin Incident had been True,... The "Republican & Democrat Suits in Washington" prevented the most Powerful Military in the World from Defeating the declared Enemy. That was also Bullcrap.

    America Invaded Iraq & Afghanistan, without declaring War, & after almost 18 years of War, .... Again, the American Military has not Defeated the "Declared Enemy", & again that "Failure" is due to the desires & demands of the "Republican & Democrat Suits in Washington". But worse yet, .... Destroying the Sunni Government/ Military of Saddam Hussein literally removed the containment of the Shia Government of Iran, & Iran's brand of Islam, & it's desires of a Caliphate have now overtaken Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, & more. On top of this, ... Sunni Islam Extremism, also became greatly empowered, with ISIS being a classic example, of which by the way, .... ISIS has not been militarily defeated in Syria.

    Islam has gained Great Power, in the Middle-east & the World, due to the Military intervention of American Forces, & it's Coalition, with America's Power being weakened even further, again due to the desires/demands of the "Republican & Democrat Suits in Washington", from "Bubba Jr.", to "Th' Bamer", to "The Twitter-in-Chief".

    America, can not continue on this path Ya'll.

    "Regime Change" that is now commonly carried out, by the Democrat & Republican Administrations, whether allegedly "Justified", or not, .... Is Absolutely against the Foundation that America's Founding Fathers visualized, & proclaimed. In Fact, I Truly Believe that they, & those that came after them, would be Shocked & Horrified by what We/ America have become, & quite possibly if Our Government refused to turn back to what made America Great, Powerful, & Blessed, I'm thinking that they would start the Second American Revolution.

    All that the Democrats & Republicans have done, since World War Two,as in these Undeclared Wars, brought about by the "Satanic Desire" to make the World accept Our "One World Order" , Our Corporate/ Industrial Greed, as well as Our Ever growing Immorality, & many other Internal Wrongs,is soon in My Belief, going to fall back upon, & overwhelm Us, thereby causing Our Destruction.

    If", .... Venezuela, ... foolishly, with it's Allies, decided to strike out at the few remaining Allies that America now has, in South & Central America ... Our Military, "IF", the "Republican & Democrat Suits in Washington", did not dictate to the Military Commanders mindblowing & treasonous restrictions, as in the many that were placed upon Our Military in all of the previous "Police Actions",.... The American Military, could & would, by Conventional means, quickly inflict a Deadly & Savage "Attitude Adjustment" upon Venezuela & it's Allies, & stop them from invading any other nation.

    But, ... That Ain't gonna happen, which again is Bullcrap.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    The American Puppet "Guaido", ... Who never received one vote towards making him President of Venezuela from any Citizen of Venezuela, & yet somehow, in this Satanic World of Regime Change, is recognized by the Trump Administration as the "Lawful President of Venezuela", which has led to threats of Military Intervention by America, if Maduro does not stand down as President.

    That's Bullcrap, ....
    It's justified under a reading of the Venezuelan constitution that the Maduro's government is invalid and Guaido should be the lawful leader. I'm not a big fan of "regime change" as the cool kids call it these days but when you look at the list of countries backing Maduro and then the list of countries backing Guaido it isn't hard to to see which side you should be on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    It's justified under a reading of the Venezuelan constitution that the Maduro's government is invalid and Guaido should be the lawful leader. I'm not a big fan of "regime change" as the cool kids call it these days but when you look at the list of countries backing Maduro and then the list of countries backing Guaido it isn't hard to to see which side you should be on.
    I think there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Vote socialism, end up with dictatorship.

    Aside from the lack of food and toilet paper in the various stages of the transitions.

    Capitalism creates wealth, and reward the hard workers or smart workers and the lucky. Socialism creates poverty and and spreads it around equally, ceptin' some of the elite preeks in charge of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I think there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Vote socialism, end up with dictatorship.

    Aside from the lack of food and toilet paper in the various stages of the transitions.

    Capitalism creates wealth, and reward the hard workers or smart workers and the lucky. Socialism creates poverty and and spreads it around equally, ceptin' some of the elite preeks in charge of it.
    Excuse me... however 'no kiddin'... grin

    The problem is... the basic instinct of folks to be greedy...
    Over-rules the common sense side that says there is no free lunch...

    Which is why maturity should be a requirement to vote.

    Democracy is not a place where idiots can make policy...
    It is a place where govt is limited to what is necessary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I think there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Vote socialism, end up with dictatorship.

    Aside from the lack of food and toilet paper in the various stages of the transitions.

    Capitalism creates wealth, and reward the hard workers or smart workers and the lucky. Socialism creates poverty and and spreads it around equally, ceptin' some of the elite preeks in charge of it.
    Tough call. Venezuela was capitalist and still had a lot of poverty to the point that people were actually dying from malnutrition as well as problems with poor infrastructure and illiteracy and unemployment that was why somebody like Chavez could come along. Capitalism is great but it isn't benevolent so it isn't going to teach people to read or create bus lines to the middle of nowhere just because some people there need a way to get into town. That is where socialism comes in with schools and subsidized transit and then capitalism swoops in to reap the benefit of literate and mobile workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    Tough call. Venezuela was capitalist and still had a lot of poverty to the point that people were actually dying from malnutrition as well as problems with poor infrastructure and illiteracy and unemployment that was why somebody like Chavez could come along. Capitalism is great but it isn't benevolent so it isn't going to teach people to read or create bus lines to the middle of nowhere just because some people there need a way to get into town. That is where socialism comes in with schools and subsidized transit and then capitalism swoops in to reap the benefit of literate and mobile workers.
    All systems of government are imperfect. Some are more imperfect than others. Communism and socialism are two of the worst. The republic formed by our forefathers is one of the best. Too bad it too is corrupted by creeping socialism.

    There will always be poor people to some extent in any system. The poor under socialism includes most people. Venezuela's poor under the more capitalistic system was no where near the number of poor there now. And the poor there now are in far worse shape than those of the past.

    Capitalism puts more people to work and raises their lifestyle far beyond that of other systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    Tough call. Venezuela was capitalist and still had a lot of poverty to the point that people were actually dying from malnutrition as well as problems with poor infrastructure and illiteracy and unemployment that was why somebody like Chavez could come along. Capitalism is great but it isn't benevolent so it isn't going to teach people to read or create bus lines to the middle of nowhere just because some people there need a way to get into town. That is where socialism comes in with schools and subsidized transit and then capitalism swoops in to reap the benefit of literate and mobile workers.
    They don't need buses and schools right now. FOOD toilet paper electricity clean water and and probably shoes.

    Buses? You need to get your priorities in order, then you might be able to straighten out your political/economic model mis-conceptions.

    LOL, buses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    It's justified under a reading of the Venezuelan constitution that the Maduro's government is invalid and Guaido should be the lawful leader. I'm not a big fan of "regime change" as the cool kids call it these days but when you look at the list of countries backing Maduro and then the list of countries backing Guaido it isn't hard to to see which side you should be on.
    Again Tool, .... Guaido, did not receive One Vote, for President, by any Venezuelan Voter. Chew on that Fact a little, ... How would You like China/ Russia, & Iran to try to Militarily install Hillary as President, here in America?

    The Founding Father's did not make "Regime Change" as part of Our Constitution.

    And as far as "Sides"?

    I'm a Stout, GOD Fearing, Heritage & Constitutional Upholding,Pro-Payer, Pro-Gun,Pro-life, Pro- Military, American, .... Not a Crap fed Mushroom that is kept in the Dark, by the Orwellian Dictates of the Republican & Democrat Parties, that jointly seek A One World Order.

    "Which side you should be on." Is a "Propaganda Tool" designed to stir up the lemmings.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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