A horror in Paris -

[BBeerme]

Don't need that old growth any more. Engineered and laminated is stronger and more stable anyway. Aesthetics are easy enough to deal with.

Sounds like replacing the over sized timbers might he a problem.

[VTP99]

So its now going to become the 50% 800 year old cathedral ?

[BBeerme]

It'll help stimulate their economy.

I've been hearing that the economies of most countries are declining. Even in our country, as strong as it appears, I hear the institutions are pulling their money out of the market. Could be profit taking. But there is also a high probability our next recession is right around the corner; institutions pulling their money out more often than not is a leading indicator of bad things to come.

[glennac]

IT might be a time not to light another fire. I first wondered if it had been started by a Catholic who had bad feelings concerning what hadn't been done about pedophilia.

Three churches torched in LA. Apparently racist motivated. Muslims are an easy target for another type of speculation.
There's three that come to mind because I like many do mindwondering.
Seemed a bit too soon to have finalized the cause without actually saying what the cause was. Maybe they have by now but seemed like a strange delivery.

Funny hacker, apparently you've already forgotten about the priest getting beheaded in another cathedral in Paris 3 or 4 years ago while saying mass.

No accident there but pure Islamic terrorism. Thank you very much

[hvacker]

Funny hacker, apparently you've already forgotten about the priest getting beheaded in another cathedral in Paris 3 or 4 years ago while saying mass.

No accident there but pure Islamic terrorism. Thank you very much

I haven't forgotten, I never heard or read it. I'm not very news worthy except when I'm in the news. I've stopped consuming the news because of the drug commercials. I record the "shows" and skip the druggies when it occurs to me.
I thought the authorities came to a conclusion a tad too fast. When I read of an investigation of a fire,I figure it will take awhile. It could also be that the cause was obvious.
The construction should be the obvious first look because it's they are not uncommon as long as the assumptions are contained. Overloaded circuits have been a problem on many jobs.

[icemeister]

Sounds like replacing the over sized timbers might he a problem.

Don't need that old growth any more. Engineered and laminated is stronger and more stable anyway. Aesthetics are easy enough to deal with.

So its now going to become the 50% 800 year old cathedral ?

The wooden beams of the cathedral were used only as the roof support structure which was independent of the stone vaulted ceilings below, which mostly survived the fire.

The way I see it, they will likely take a similar route that England did to rebuild Windsor Castle after the fire back in 1997 where the roof of St. George's Hall burned. They replicated the ceilings to match the original, including the original exposed wooden beams, but upgraded the roof structure to a steel framework with metal roofing. So if they do that, there would be no need to use big timbers since that structure was hidden.

Here's what the original roof structure looks like for Notre Dame:

Here's a link to the article: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/16/183120...cathedral-fire

[mbhydro]

This is an interesting news article that just came out on what the Canadian Govt is planning to do when they start the refurbishment on the 100 year old center block of our Parliament building to try and prevent a major fire during the decade long project.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/not...104205?cmp=rss

[Poodle Head Mikey]

Notre Dame has been rebuilt before - and sometimes with the intent to change it. I doubt that this time will be any different. Keeping the 'look' of the place intact but not using modern materials and methods to do it would be foolish. The past builder's used the best of what was available to them at the time - and so should we now.

Which reminds me: I know something about wooden ships and woodworking and so forth. And I was apparently pictured as someone who gets things done. So I was asked to join the restoration committee for a historic old sailing ship. The purpose of 'saving the ship' was said to be as a historic teaching item for the public. I agreed to help and went to assess. The ship was floating but just barely and only because a half dozen or so large electric pumps were running 24 hours a day.

I suggested that we make a giant sheet of rubber roofing material (EDPM), work it under the keel and attach it above the water line on both side. Use it like a big diaper to keep the water out while the ship was towed to where the bottom cold be repaired. And I suggested that once the bottom was accessible we use a process called Cold Molding to cover the entire bottom of the ship up to the water line. Thin (relatively) thin strips of wood are epoxied and mechanically fastened to the existing hull. Multiple layers are applied with each layer angled to the one before it. What you are essentially doing is building plywood in place - and to the exact shape of the substrate. The end result is 100% waterproof and would not be visible to anyone.

Above the water line more traditional re-planking and seam caulking could be done. Likewise inside the vessel - where it would be seen.

Well you would have thought I suggested restoring the Mona Lisa with rustoleum spray cans! Hell; there were people there who didn't even want power tools used! Pompous idiots who couldn't so much as saw a plank end square were arguing vehemently for "all traditional methods". <g>

I argued and argued - saying that if the original shipwrights were there in those meetings they would laugh at the idea of doing it as they had originally - they were reasonable men - practical men who would all leap at the opportunity to use the best of what was now available. That's what they did originally - they used the best they had available to them. They didn't use stone axes. <g>

I was endlessly shouted down and so eventually I gave it all up as a bad-job. That ship sank and was eventually shoved aground to rot away entirely. As was traditional I guess. <g>

PHM
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So its now going to become the 50% 800 year old cathedral ?

[Poodle Head Mikey]

That may be but the muslims have made their own image so bad that I can hardly be faulted for so quickly looking to them as the potential perpetrators.

Racial Profiling didn't just spring up from nowhere. <g>

PHM
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It’s work place violence not radical Islam

[Poodle Head Mikey]

In wooden boat building / restoring circles there is a joke/story -

A guy is selling a 250 year old antique axe. The handle has been replaced five times and the head has been replaced twice - but it's still a 250 year old axe. <g>

[VTP99]

Buyer beware

[timebuilder]

It would be more accurate to say that there was ideological profiling...... because when your leadership.... your most visible people in your group..... start saying things like 'driving another nation into the sea,' it doesn't really reflect well upon your group as being categorized as decent, compassionate people.

[BBeerme]

That's pretty good. I wonder if I'll be able to remember that one when it counts.

In wooden boat building / restoring circles there is a joke/story -

A guy is selling a 250 year old antique axe. The handle has been replaced five times and the head has been replaced twice - but it's still a 250 year old axe. <g>

[curiousos]

It's crazy, I was just there in August. I have pictures in front of it. You just never know these days.