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    Using a new brand can be a shame.

    This might not look like a horrible installation, but it is. It was the replacement of an identical one year old unit.

    The drain is about an inch above the opening of the lower element. After draining the tank, there was more than six gallons that had not drained out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Goodman View Post
    This might not look like a horrible installation, but it is. It was the replacement of an identical one year old unit.

    The drain is about an inch above the opening of the lower element. After draining the tank, there was more than six gallons that had not drained out.
    It looks like the drain is in the same spot as any other water heater - am I missing something?

    The flexible lines look REAL nice, though.

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    I need to revise my claims. This was something of an angry rant.

    Both openings are right at six inches above the bottom of the base. Please forgive me Westinghouse.
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    This install had been a shame from the start.

    I had used a Watts 3/4” LF7RU2-2-Lead-Free-Dual-Check-Valve between the shutoff valve and the expansion tank. The female threads on the end opposite from the union was not deep enough to get a good seal. So, I had to use extra wraps of tape to get it to stop leaking.

    Two months after being installed, it started to leak again.

    I tapped the threads a little deeper (at the risk of making the brass body too thin), and it hasn’t leaked since then.

    I called Watts, and they said they recommend 4 wraps of the thick blue Teflon tape with this model check valve.

    Then, both the upper and lower elements burned out. The elements are the type that are folded back, and both had warped. I was able to get the upper element out, but not the lower.
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    I hate those circ setups off the drain.

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    I think the folded ones are "low watt density"
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    thats were the makers of them tell you to pipe it to avoid any water comeing back that would be hot enugh to melt the cold water inlet dip tube

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Goodman View Post
    This might not look like a horrible installation, but it is. It was the replacement of an identical one year old unit.

    The drain is about an inch above the opening of the lower element. After draining the tank, there was more than six gallons that had not drained out.
    Is that T& P Valve reduced to 1/2", then piped to a 90 degree elbow so that the Steam could be vented through the wall David?

    And as far as that drain, ... that looks like a Factory defect to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    Is that T& P Valve reduced to 1/2", then piped to a 90 degree elbow so that the Steam could be vented through the wall David?

    And as far as that drain, ... that looks like a Factory defect to me.
    The PEX on the PT drain is 3/4".
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Goodman View Post
    The PEX on the PT drain is 3/4".
    That Flex line is 3/4"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    That Flex line is 3/4"?
    Good golly! You might be right. Don’t know how I missed that.
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    David, here in Ohio, we have to maintain the 3/4" TP pipe size all the way down to the floor, with no 90s, & if I remember correctly the TP outlet is terminate approx. 6" from the floor.

    As far as that drain height from the bottom, ... Did Westinghouse say anything about that ridiculous drain height?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    David, here in Ohio, we have to maintain the 3/4" TP pipe size all the way down to the floor, with no 90s, & if I remember correctly the TP outlet is terminate approx. 6" from the floor.

    As far as that drain height from the bottom, ... Did Westinghouse say anything about that ridiculous drain height?
    For what is is worth, this did pass permit inspection.

    I told Westinghouse that I felt the drain height was a design flaw on this model. When I was on the phone with the person who was sending me a replacement, he told me he was looking at the replacement unit (physically standing in front of it), and the drain was below the element.

    Well, he must not have been looking a the unit that was sent to me.
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