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    The Green New Deal

    Does anyone even think this is possible? Wouldn't mean eliminating all gas and oil fired heating equipment? When I think of what I would have to do in my own house it would mean new electric furnace, h/p or geo, new electric water heater and range and a new electric service to handle all this.
    I would guess 95% of the houses in my city would be in the same predicament. And what about commercial buildings heated with a boiler? Or a boiler heating water for geo systems. It seems to me that it is just not possible to implement or retrofit to make this happen. Would be good for our biz though!

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    No, it is not possible in reality...only in a delusional fantasy.

    The environmental politcal base is essentially a new place for communism and atheism. They believe unless they can dictate policy, the earth will become uninhabitable. The Bible already tells about a singular event that causes the earth to become uninhabitable, and it has nothing to do with climate change.

    Kids who have been in school in the past 20 years believe the earth will be ruined in the next 40 years. They are scared, because they believe what others have told them.

    It's sad, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    No, it is not possible in reality...only in a delusional fantasy.

    The environmental politcal base is essentially a new place for communism and atheism. They believe unless they can dictate policy, the earth will become uninhabitable. The Bible already tells about a singular event that causes the earth to become uninhabitable, and it has nothing to do with climate change.

    Kids who have been in school in the past 20 years believe the earth will be ruined in the next 40 years. They are scared, because they believe what others have told them.

    It's sad, really.
    Totally agreed what's gonna happen in inevitable or has negligible impact on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    No, it is not possible in reality...only in a delusional fantasy.

    The environmental politcal base is essentially a new place for communism and atheism. They believe unless they can dictate policy, the earth will become uninhabitable. The Bible already tells about a singular event that causes the earth to become uninhabitable, and it has nothing to do with climate change.

    Kids who have been in school in the past 20 years believe the earth will be ruined in the next 40 years. They are scared, because they believe what others have told them.

    It's sad, really.
    I don't see any scientists saying the Earth will be uninhabitable. It will simply make the lives of millions to billions much different and worse in many cases. There are catastrophic events that have nothing to do with the end times in the Bible to equate them makes no sense.
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    How could we know about the coming events? Here is one observation:

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    We would have to rebuild most of the electrical infrastructure just for starters. Look at how many cities have brown and blackouts under heavy electrical usage, now think about how much load would be added to an already stressed system. Then you have the total lack of enough and reliable renewable energy sources. Then the next thing is how do you replaced the lost productivity in farm ground from where wind and solar farms are located. We have a wind farm about 30 miles from me. Each tower/turbine is surrounded by an area that was once farm land. Then the shade from the towers/turbines lower yields on the ground that is left. Then there is the transmission loss. As I understand about 2/3 of the electricity produced is lost through transmission. The only way I see this working is every house having it's own generation capabilities to avoid some of these loses, but how does that work no a high rise apartment building.

    Thanks TB for a good read, always a good to have a reminder of what is to come.

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    Well; 'grandfathering' would probably be the actual route forced on the NGD'ers. That is: eliminating all Production Of whatever the offending item was. With the actual eventual change-over accomplished by simple attrition.

    BTW: electric boilers are readily available.

    It's 'possible' - and it would get done if tomorrow all crude oil was suddenly gone from the earth. We would figure it out and get it done.

    Because . . . there would be a reason to do so. In the present case I do not believe that there is a reason. And without A Reason - everything falls back to financial motivation. And there certainly isn't of that available to fund this idea.<g>

    BTW: I do not believe that crude oil is simply gooed-together dinosaurs and their plants. I think that crude oil is continually produced by the earth by some means that we do not yet understand. And so there is no danger of running out of crude oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-Hvacdoc View Post
    Does anyone even think this is possible? Wouldn't mean eliminating all gas and oil fired heating equipment? When I think of what I would have to do in my own house it would mean new electric furnace, h/p or geo, new electric water heater and range and a new electric service to handle all this.
    I would guess 95% of the houses in my city would be in the same predicament. And what about commercial buildings heated with a boiler? Or a boiler heating water for geo systems. It seems to me that it is just not possible to implement or retrofit to make this happen. Would be good for our biz though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Well; 'grandfathering' would probably be the actual route forced on the NGD'ers. That is: eliminating all Production Of whatever the offending item was. With the actual eventual change-over accomplished by simple attrition.

    BTW: electric boilers are readily available.

    It's 'possible' - and it would get done if tomorrow all crude oil was suddenly gone from the earth. We would figure it out and get it done.

    Because . . . there would be a reason to do so. In the present case I do not believe that there is a reason. And without A Reason - everything falls back to financial motivation. And there certainly isn't of that available to fund this idea.<g>

    BTW: I do not believe that crude oil is simply gooed-together dinosaurs and their plants. I think that crude oil is continually produced by the earth by some means that we do not yet understand. And so there is no danger of running out of crude oil.

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    [QUOTE=Poodle Head Mikey;25661381
    BTW: I do not believe that crude oil is simply gooed-together dinosaurs and their plants. I think that crude oil is continually produced by the earth by some means that we do not yet understand. And so there is no danger of running out of crude oil.

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    I agree with this statement. I came to this realization when I realized that most of the oil pumped out in my lifetime has been below the fossil record, or in other words deeper than the plants and animals that are suppose to be decomposing and creating it. I believe that oil is actually part of the carbon cycle. Use it or let it build up and ooze out of the ground and get eaten by the microbes, like how most oil spills are cleaned up, it still gets into the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post

    BTW: I do not believe that crude oil is simply gooed-together dinosaurs and their plants. I think that crude oil is continually produced by the earth by some means that we do not yet understand. And so there is no danger of running out of crude oil.

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    When you imply that today's scientists say that dinosaurs became the oil of today are you being humorous or flip or is that what you believe?

    Is it reasonable to assume you don't believe the scientific view on how we got our O2 from also.
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    Think they passed something here in California where it is required that all new construction homes have solar.

    Keep in mind, that there are days we need to PAY other states to take our excess electricity. That problem can only get worse now.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

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    I think we would all be better off if every house in the southern half of US was required to have a white solar reflective white roof.

    Requiring solar-electric panels is just avoiding the actual problem.

    What we all need much more than solar-electric is lower-than-90Ί-attics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Think they passed something here in California where it is required that all new construction homes have solar.

    Keep in mind, that there are days we need to PAY other states to take our excess electricity. That problem can only get worse now.
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