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    Concord 95 % furnace and AC installation

    Concord 95 % furnace and 13 seer AC replacement over this last summer ..... I like Concord equipment ...

    job was like 40 miles away so it took me a few weeks to get it done in between other work ..... customer was giving me hard time because it was taking so long, but I wheel barrowed dirt from across the back of the yard to elevate and level the condensing unit, even mixed coloring to the mason mix to try and blend in with the bricks where the flu pipes are .... and stuff just takes time ..... but when I was done she was really happy

    customer insisted on having the faucet where it is, so I installed a new one for her, no harm I suppose, the old faucet did not work but there was no room to replace it because of where the AC unit was .... when I was done she then decides to plant a bunch of plants and flowers around the back of her house and around the AC unit now that she had an outdoor faucet at the back of her house ....

    there is actually enough room to get in there and service the AC unit if need be, opposed to as before, plus there is now an outdoor disconnect .....

    somehow I got into the habit of using 4 inch bricks, leveled with mason mix, to set the furnace on, it adds a day to the project because it has to set overnight, but it is a nice, solid, level, foundation to build upon .....

    rarely use 90 s for my copper connections inside or out, I prefer to gradually bend the pipe

    seldom do installs anymore, just can't afford to be tied up that long and just can't blast them in, so maybe one or two a year ..... not perfect, but for what it's worth it turned out OK .... seen worse
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    Looks good. Like to see the F100 and filter drier inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaldLoonie View Post
    Looks good. Like to see the F100 and filter drier inside.

    thank you

    Concord furnace and AC I installed for her friend, otherwise I would never have done an install so far away, this one turned out a little but nicer looking ... looks as if I installed the union inside the compartment however, and forgot to seal my extra coil drain openings ... guess I should correct that ........ maybe put a clamp on the evaporator drain PVC ... it's those odds and ends that kill you, that's why I try to do all those odds as I go along but you know how that is ....

    definitely takes me longer to do an install, but I figure if it takes me a few extra hours to do something right, and to make it look nice, or to even re do something, what is that compared to the 15 or 20 years it is going to be installed with the customer looking at it nearly everyday ?
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    the spirit of the law

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    Your coil condensate line is S trapped. Needs a vent after the trap.

    Secondly, your furnace trap vent needs to be extended above the upstream connection point. Also, manual says it shouldn't be tied into the coil condensate line. This would be less of an issue if a vent was at the top of the 'stack'. Second install is separated, but not vented correctly.

    York, for example, allows the two condensate lines to be tied together. With correct venting. I only reviewed the Concord 95G1 manual, maybe the manual you have for the furnace says all is ok?

    Additionally, condensate pump safety switch doesn't look tied into furnace controls. I'd personally cut R since it is for AC and furnace. Warn customer if pump fails they have no heat.

    Sorry. The combustion air and exhaust venting is neatly done.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Your coil condensate line is S trapped. Needs a vent after the trap.
    that is a ' P ' trap, not an ' S ' trap, the condensate drain pipe is running and terminating vertically 24 " below, so venting that pipe will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, a vacuum will not be created in the piping

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Secondly, your furnace trap vent needs to be extended above the upstream connection point.
    the condensate drain pipe is running and terminating vertically 12 " below, so this will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, extra pressure will not be needed on the condensate drain piping as might be needed if the drain pipe was running horizontally

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Also, manual says it shouldn't be tied into the coil condensate line. This would be less of an issue if a vent was at the top of the 'stack'. Second install is separated, but not vented correctly.
    the drain pipe is venting and terminating vertically 12 " below, so this will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, unless the vertical piping becomes blocked, which it will not, condensate will not back up into the furnace, which is the reason for them to be separated

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    York, for example, allows the two condensate lines to be tied together. With correct venting. I only reviewed the Concord 95G1 manual, maybe the manual you have for the furnace says all is ok?
    all is OK ... guess us Americans are able to figure out why things are supposed to be the way that they are .....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Additionally, condensate pump safety switch doesn't look tied into furnace controls. I'd personally cut R since it is for AC and furnace. Warn customer if pump fails they have no heat.
    personally I think it would be stupid to tie in the safety switch on a furnace and AC installation in a basement with a concrete floor leaving the customer with no heat or AC .... customer was advised what will happen if pump fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Sorry.
    no need to apologize, you obviously spent a bit of time doing the research to find reasons to be critical of the work


    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    The combustion air and exhaust venting is neatly done.
    as is the duct work, as is the electrical, as is everything else ... normally, when I find myself wanting to give constructive criticism, I start out with the compliment .. but then that was not intended to be constructive criticism was it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacskills View Post
    that is a ' P ' trap, not an ' S ' trap, the condensate drain pipe is running and terminating vertically 24 " below, so venting that pipe will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, a vacuum will not be created in the piping



    the condensate drain pipe is running and terminating vertically 12 " below, so this will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, extra pressure will not be needed on the condensate drain piping as might be needed if the drain pipe was running horizontally



    the drain pipe is venting and terminating vertically 12 " below, so this will not be a concern, it would be a concern if the condensate piping was running horizontally, which it is not .... IE, unless the vertical piping becomes blocked, which it will not, condensate will not back up into the furnace, which is the reason for them to be separated



    all is OK ... guess us Americans are able to figure out why things are supposed to be the way that they are .....



    personally I think it would be stupid to tie in the safety switch on a furnace and AC installation in a basement with a concrete floor leaving the customer with no heat or AC .... customer was advised what will happen if pump fails



    no need to apologize, you obviously spent a bit of time doing the research to find reasons to be critical of the work




    as is the duct work, as is the electrical, as is everything else ... normally, when I find myself wanting to give constructive criticism, I start out with the compliment .. but then that was not intended to be constructive criticism was it ?
    Lol. Ok. I guess the manual is lying then.

    It looked wrong, so I spent 3 minutes reviewing the manual. It confirmed it was wrong. I always do my due diligence before posting on here, I really try to only post correct information, as I have done here.

    I was legitimately trying to be helpful!!! Constructive criticism. Sorry I hurt your feelings. My intentions were nothing but noble.

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    first off, let me say, as a professional the installation instructions should always be followed, having said that ......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    Lol. Ok. I guess the manual is lying then.

    It looked wrong, so I spent 3 minutes reviewing the manual. It confirmed it was wrong. I always do my due diligence before posting on here, I really try to only post correct information, as I have done here.
    ' wrong ' ? I believe it may be ' wrong ' if the condensate drain piping was installed differently ...... for example, traveled vertically down the length of the furnace, then traveled horizontally some distance where restriction may develop ( sludge, dirt, debris, not properly pitched ) in the condensate piping where extra force would be need to be created to clear the piping or a vacuum could be created then needed to be broke .... in both of these instances the water will drip beautifully down and out of each of the condensate drain piping

    in this particular instance, with the condensate drain piping running and terminating vertically 12 " and 24 ", I will argue this is not ' wrong ' ..... if you feel that it is ' wrong ' then state exactly why the condensate will not drain properly from either the evaporator coil or the furnace, be sure to use your ' due diligence ' and back up your assertions with logic


    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    I was legitimately trying to be helpful!!! Constructive criticism. Sorry I hurt your feelings. My intentions were nothing but noble.
    hurt feelings ? the irony here is spectacularly beautiful

    ' freedom of speech ' = ' freedom of thought '

    the condensate drain piping ? common sense ......
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    I am bewildered as to why you have responded negatively. I wish to only positively contribute to this website. I see no way forward with you.

    Good day sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    I am bewildered as to why you have responded negatively. I wish to only positively contribute to this website. I see no way forward with you.

    Good day sir.
    in the spirit of positiveness .....

    understanding ' why ' is the difference between an average HVACR technician and a good HVACR technician

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    And though the baron was appalled at the condition of the army he was tasked with making over, he soon developed an appreciation for its soldiers. “The genius of this nation is not in the least to be compared with that of the Prussian, Austrians, or French,” von Steuben wrote to a Prussian friend. “You say to your soldier ‘Do this and he doeth it’; but I am obliged to say [to the American soldier]: ‘This is the reason why you ought to do that: and then he does it.’”



    Good day back at you !
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    Those that know how... will always have a job...
    However...
    Those that know why... will usually be the bosses!

    There is a larger life than following the letter of the law (instructions)...
    It is called following the spirit of he law (intentions, which cause end results).

    It takes someone that knows how to think... to work with the why's...
    Anyone that can read... can follow instructions...
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    Good looking installs... nice to see someone doing a quality job voluntarily!

    We have been installing AlliedAir equipment for close to a decade now... with excellent results!

    Please keep up the good work...

    Suggestion... get a 'by install' helper... and have them do the heavy work.
    You will get more done... and probably make some extra $$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahrs View Post
    I am bewildered as to why you have responded negatively. I wish to only positively contribute to this website. I see no way forward with you.

    Good day sir.
    thank you for the advise, do not believe there will be an issue in this particular instance but nice to know for future reference
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    the spirit of the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Good looking installs... nice to see someone doing a quality job voluntarily!

    We have been installing AlliedAir equipment for close to a decade now... with excellent results!

    Please keep up the good work...

    Suggestion... get a 'by install' helper... and have had them do the heavy work.
    You will get more done... and probably make some extra $$$.

    thank you .... really like these furnaces and have very good results also

    do you know if they redesigned the condensing units so the louvers are easier to remove to gain access to clean the coil ? that is one knock I have about these condensing units, unscrewing the louvers isn't too bad but not too much fun crawling around in mud trying to screw the louvers back on, I heard from a factory representative they were supposed to redesign the louvers for that very reason but I do not recall if this one I installed this last summer was

    I used to have ' by install ' helpers, but service work has picked up so much I have had to almost completely drop doing installs, just can't be tied up for that long anymore and keep getting pulled away from the install, and it is hard to find ' seldom by install ' help, service work is mostly one person and by the time you add workers compensation and unemployment just don't add up ( liberals ruin everything ) ...... but yeah, I used to have helpers all the time, and we all had a good time and installed an lot of equipment and did a lot of good work and they always had money in their pocket, I paid them well hourly and liked giving them bonuses when we had a good day, treated them to lunch, dinner .... miss those days
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    the spirit of the law

    The intended meaning of a law by those who wrote it, as opposed to a literal interpretation thereof.

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