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    Quote Originally Posted by VanMan812 View Post
    This topic came up in conversation at a supply house recently. There was a commercial HVAC tech bragging that he works on all brands of RTU’s. He was going on and on about how his boss can send him on anything and that’s why he’s paid so well. I chimed in and asked how many total manufacturers equipment he works on and he could come up with 8 brands. I told him I have over 950 manufacturers in my system right now. Steam, gas, electric, refrigeration, commercial/industrial laundry, HVAC, etc etc and each brand has dozens of types of equipment and models. I work on it all and if someday my boss sends me to work on a grain combine or an elevator I will be expected to fix it. The tech says “I bet you get paid pretty well!” but sadly he and I probably make the same wage.

    And what I think that comes down to is in the general scope of things, plumbers and electricians and HVAC techs all get paid a very similar rate. And the kitchen guys just get thrown into that mixing bowl and get paid the same.



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    Quote Originally Posted by VanMan812 View Post
    This topic came up in conversation at a supply house recently. There was a commercial HVAC tech bragging that he works on all brands of RTU’s. He was going on and on about how his boss can send him on anything and that’s why he’s paid so well. I chimed in and asked how many total manufacturers equipment he works on and he could come up with 8 brands. I told him I have over 950 manufacturers in my system right now. Steam, gas, electric, refrigeration, commercial/industrial laundry, HVAC, etc etc and each brand has dozens of types of equipment and models. I work on it all and if someday my boss sends me to work on a grain combine or an elevator I will be expected to fix it. The tech says “I bet you get paid pretty well!” but sadly he and I probably make the same wage.

    And what I think that comes down to is in the general scope of things, plumbers and electricians and HVAC techs all get paid a very similar rate. And the kitchen guys just get thrown into that mixing bowl and get paid the same.



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    Yeah, I hear you. What's also sad about that is we have no leverage. I know I don't. As much as my boss thinks the world of me, or so she tells me, if I asked for more money or less days for the same money, she would tell me it was nice knowing you.

    A situation came up today that involves the Director of Maintenance, who I don't fall under, but his boss is my boss's boss. Because none of the maintenance staff know anything about refrigeration, I was volunteered to take care of the school district ice machines when I first started working there almost 8 years ago, along with taking care of the all the kitchen ice machines and equipment. I reluctantly accepted because I was new and I didn't want to make any waves. Keep in mind, I get absolutely no help from the maintenance staff. My department, Nutrition Services, is the red-headed stepchild of the school district.

    This is just one example of the help I don't get. I had to install 1/4" aluminum plate over the existing damaged insulated floor panels in two freezers a few years ago. I had to empty one freezer's products into the other freezer by myself. After I installed the new floor, I had to move the contents of both freezers back into the freezer that I had just finished the floor. When I finished the floor in the other freezer, I had to move back its contents. Again, that's just one example.

    Anyway, last year, I talked to my boss about giving maintenance back their ice machines. I told her your kitchens are my primary responsibility and I am only one person. Maintenance has HVAC technicians who should be doing those ice machines. She agreed, so I emailed the Director of Maintenance, with a copy to my boss, telling him that I would no longer be servicing the district's ice machines. He never responded, but I didn't care because the boss had my back.

    Fast forward to today. Late this afternoon, my boss emails me letting me know that the D of M is going to the CFO to tell her that "he needs my expertise" and that I need to service and maintain their ice machines. I about came unglued. I haven't responded. I'm thinking about going to Human Resources if my boss doesn't step up to the plate and take my side. I'll have to think about it, though. Needless to say, I'm not a happy camper right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapperhead View Post
    I fix anything in a restaurant , the cold , the hot , the water lines , the outlets , the lights , clogged toilets , hood fans , leaky faucets , margarita machine , frozen yogurt machine

    Yes im never home .
    X2 I charge the same rate if they want me to empty the trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    X2 I charge the same rate if they want me to empty the trash.
    I was working on an ice machine at a TGIFridays one day and one of the cooks was washing dishes right behind me. He says to me. "You should be washing dishes like I do" I told him, "You want to pay me $40 and hour to wash dishes? I'll wash dishes"

    I didn't mean that to be derogatory, but I'm sure that's how it came out. The reality is, I have a price for everything I do. I will work for free and I will work for money. It all depends on the customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SandShark View Post
    Yeah, I hear you. What's also sad about that is we have no leverage. I know I don't. As much as my boss thinks the world of me, or so she tells me, if I asked for more money or less days for the same money, she would tell me it was nice knowing you.

    A situation came up today that involves the Director of Maintenance, who I don't fall under, but his boss is my boss's boss. Because none of the maintenance staff know anything about refrigeration, I was volunteered to take care of the school district ice machines when I first started working there almost 8 years ago, along with taking care of the all the kitchen ice machines and equipment. I reluctantly accepted because I was new and I didn't want to make any waves. Keep in mind, I get absolutely no help from the maintenance staff. My department, Nutrition Services, is the red-headed stepchild of the school district.

    This is just one example of the help I don't get. I had to install 1/4" aluminum plate over the existing damaged insulated floor panels in two freezers a few years ago. I had to empty one freezer's products into the other freezer by myself. After I installed the new floor, I had to move the contents of both freezers back into the freezer that I had just finished the floor. When I finished the floor in the other freezer, I had to move back its contents. Again, that's just one example.

    Anyway, last year, I talked to my boss about giving maintenance back their ice machines. I told her your kitchens are my primary responsibility and I am only one person. Maintenance has HVAC technicians who should be doing those ice machines. She agreed, so I emailed the Director of Maintenance, with a copy to my boss, telling him that I would no longer be servicing the district's ice machines. He never responded, but I didn't care because the boss had my back.

    Fast forward to today. Late this afternoon, my boss emails me letting me know that the D of M is going to the CFO to tell her that "he needs my expertise" and that I need to service and maintain their ice machines. I about came unglued. I haven't responded. I'm thinking about going to Human Resources if my boss doesn't step up to the plate and take my side. I'll have to think about it, though. Needless to say, I'm not a happy camper right now.

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    You should figure out how many hours per year labour you spend on their machines and multiply that by your total wage package. Then add in cost of all materials and supplies for maintenance and mark up that up by 25 percent. Then take that total number and multiply x 1.5 for negotiation room.

    Present that as a service contract with a dollar amount charged to the other department's budget for you to continue to service their machines. Put on a disclaimer that all additional repairs and capital costs are still are chargeable to the other department's budget.

    Since it sounds like you can knock those out anyway without impacting your hours too much, tell your boss to present this option and that you want an equivalent hourly wage increase if it is accepted.

    It will go one of two ways.....the other department head will realize his free gravy train is over since I doubt his budget is getting dinged for your work and he will fold like a cheap tent and get his guys to do the work, or you will get a handsome raise for doing what you are already doing.

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    Here, I fixed that for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post

    I didn't mean that to be derogatory, but I'm sure that's how it came out. The reality is, I have a price for everything I do. I will work for free and I will work for money. It all depends on how hot is the female customer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BALloyd View Post
    You should figure out how many hours per year labour you spend on their machines and multiply that by your total wage package. Then add in cost of all materials and supplies for maintenance and mark up that up by 25 percent. Then take that total number and multiply x 1.5 for negotiation room.

    Present that as a service contract with a dollar amount charged to the other department's budget for you to continue to service their machines. Put on a disclaimer that all additional repairs and capital costs are still are chargeable to the other department's budget.

    Since it sounds like you can knock those out anyway without impacting your hours too much, tell your boss to present this option and that you want an equivalent hourly wage increase if it is accepted.

    It will go one of two ways.....the other department head will realize his free gravy train is over since I doubt his budget is getting dinged for your work and he will fold like a cheap tent and get his guys to do the work, or you will get a handsome raise for doing what you are already doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandShark View Post
    I like your thinking. Appreciate the feedback.
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    I've noticed every time I'm at. Kitchen working on a cooler I get the " hey do you work on hot side stuff too, we have an oven down?" . Usually I end up taking a look. Convection oven, griddle, fryer etc...
    there is SO much different stuff on hot side, I find it way harder than coolers, which mostly all work about the same. Factory support is tuff to get, huge variety of parts, etc... how do most of you learn hot side? Just as you go, piece by piece? It seems in general more complicated to me

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    I Actually started out on the hot side and moved over to doing cold.

    Kklobas,

    It's piece by piece, I don't think I've attended any factory training on any equipment even though I've looked for it and tried to do it, it just never happened but most tech support will help you, only company I ever had say no was Rational. You just need to learn the technology they use, that's the thing, learn about burners, gas valves, different types of ignition systems (pilot, spark, one more I don't remember) and how these things work, most gas equipment is similar when it comes down to it.

    It's all the same shit, just put together differently with a different name on it.

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    Yes one needs to hone in on their electrical skills to be good at it.

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    Absolutely, so many sensors and safeties to watch out for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kklobas View Post
    I've noticed every time I'm at. Kitchen working on a cooler I get the " hey do you work on hot side stuff too, we have an oven down?" . Usually I end up taking a look. Convection oven, griddle, fryer etc...
    there is SO much different stuff on hot side, I find it way harder than coolers, which mostly all work about the same. Factory support is tuff to get, huge variety of parts, etc... how do most of you learn hot side? Just as you go, piece by piece? It seems in general more complicated to me
    If you know the sequence of operation, if you're proficient at troubleshooting and you can read a wiring schematic, you can work on the hot side. Also, being able to work in a busy kitchen can't hurt, either.
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