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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    Snapperhead, that epiphany moment for me came in the early 20's, so it is still possible for your nephew. If you want to get involved, I would recommend asking the simple question: What do you have to live for?

    If he has no answer, tell him you can't help him. Then just sit there and look at him. Let the moments pass. Then. TELL HIM he needs a reason to live. He HAS to find a reason to live. Tell him you will only support him for his reason to live.

    Those who enable him are not helping him.
    Not sure this is the answer. My grandsons dad decided roughly 10 months after his son was born, it was time to re-live his heroin days of 10 years ago(I didn't know this until after he relapsed earlier this year). If a new baby isn't a reason to live, than nothing is. Sorry, I'm bitter. If he dropped dead today there would be no love lost.

    Addressing the addiction issue. After the last surgery on my shoulder, I was on Percosets for about 4-5 weeks. The first 2 weeks I slept and popped pills. The remainder weeks I slowly weaned myself down to Advil, which I still take almost daily. I haven't smoked pot since the 80's and I bet it would help with my daily pain, but I need to be of sound mind to perform any type of job that I would consider a living wage and $15 and hour isn't a living wage in my world. I fully understand the physical apart of the addiction. I cannot fathom the mental part. You'd have to be born under a rock to not know the consequences of addiction.
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    The only thing I really know, is that you need a reason to live. And a reason to stay off of the stuff that is ruining your life.

    With all due respect, having a child does not automatically bestow a need to live. Anyone with the proper plumbing, regardless of intellect or reason, can bring a life into this world.

    Without a [higher?] reason to stay sober [aka, a reason to live], it's likely the OP's nephew has no hope at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    Not sure this is the answer. My grandsons dad decided roughly 10 months after his son was born, it was time to re-live his heroin days of 10 years ago(I didn't know this until after he relapsed earlier this year). If a new baby isn't a reason to live, than nothing is. Sorry, I'm bitter. If he dropped dead today there would be no love lost.

    Addressing the addiction issue. After the last surgery on my shoulder, I was on Percosets for about 4-5 weeks. The first 2 weeks I slept and popped pills. The remainder weeks I slowly weaned myself down to Advil, which I still take almost daily. I haven't smoked pot since the 80's and I bet it would help with my daily pain, but I need to be of sound mind to perform any type of job that I would consider a living wage and $15 and hour isn't a living wage in my world. I fully understand the physical apart of the addiction. I cannot fathom the mental part. You'd have to be born under a rock to not know the consequences of addiction.
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    Check out the Narconon Pgm - apparently they have a super low "reversal" rate.. I guess you can call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    The only thing I really know, is that you need a reason to live. And a reason to stay off of the stuff that is ruining your life.

    With all due respect, having a child does not automatically bestow a need to live. Anyone with the proper plumbing, regardless of intellect or reason, can bring a life into this world.

    Without a [higher?] reason to stay sober [aka, a reason to live], it's likely the OP's nephew has no hope at all.
    Hes got a little girl . I think shes 7 , he gets her every other weekend , so obviously theres an ex GF who hes arguing with now n then. Hell we all have one of those lol.

    But hes never really bonded with her , when shes over its more like hes babysitting. Hed much rather be drinking with the guys.

    Hes pounding a 6 pack each night , minimum , which I just found out , so that pretty much tells me the idea of turning him into a outstanding employee just isn't there.

    There was a slight chance I was going to give the guy another try , but reading these posts about the chances of recovery being so slim …. I just cant take the risk of my stuff being pawned one day. I NEED my stuff.

    I will tell his mother about the other rehabs mentioned ...Narconon

    I just looked it up , the closest Narconon is in Michigan.

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    I looked more into Narcanon , its 15,000 dollar flat fee , holy cow

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    Honestly... I do not remember if I posted this or not...
    Sorry if this is a repeat post.

    A few decades ago, I remember going to a weekend Bible study retreat...
    The speaker was a wise elderly person.

    Somehow, we got off on making good and bad choices... which of course lead to discussion on addictions...
    The speaker made a comment that has stuck with me:

    "Real and meaningful change will ONLY happen...
    When the pain of remaining the same is GREATER than the pain of change"

    IMO... until the pain of staying on drugs is greater than the pain of leaving drugs...
    Well... we probably (sadly) know what is gonna happen...

    I really hope the OP's relative finds the will to make some tuff choices...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapperhead View Post
    I looked more into Narcanon , its 15,000 dollar flat fee , holy cow
    Like Sam kinison said if you still have 15k you don’t have a problem
    Honeywell you can buy better but you cant pay more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapperhead View Post
    I looked more into Narcanon , its 15,000 dollar flat fee , holy cow
    Well, I guess it depends if it's worth it. Can't be much more than the rehabs he's done so far that didn't work.

    But he also needs to want to get off it, does he actually want to get off it or is he just saying that? I understand wanting to get off it and then being tempted back into it, remove him from the environment and have him withdraw from it as well as getting all the toxins and chemicals that stuff left behind out of his body and there's much more to the program but it works, that's all I've heard, it has the highest success rate in the world from what I know.

    So it depends, the road he's on, I figure he'll do 15G's worth of damage one way or another, might as well just handle him and get him straightened out and keep him alive and get him doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    This is so true. He can't stay in contact with other active addicts. The temptation of their activity seems familiar, friendly, and represents pleasure. He must disown every one of them.

    Many addicts report that they needed something larger than themselves from which to draw strength. This is why programs such as AA have been successful.

    Here is a program we run at our church. You can find a chapter near you, or something similar. We are weak. He is strong.

    https://rurecovery.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    The only thing I really know, is that you need a reason to live. And a reason to stay off of the stuff that is ruining your life.

    With all due respect, having a child does not automatically bestow a need to live. Anyone with the proper plumbing, regardless of intellect or reason, can bring a life into this world.

    Without a [higher?] reason to stay sober [aka, a reason to live], it's likely the OP's nephew has no hope at all.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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    Just came across this. Pretty interesting articles.

    https://www.freedommag.org/magazine/...headlines.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivero View Post
    Just came across this. Pretty interesting articles.

    https://www.freedommag.org/magazine/...headlines.html

    I have to call into question the notion that pharmaceutical companies have been "peddling this stuff to an unsuspecting public." Nothing could be farther from the truth.

    For decades, Americans have all heard of the devastation caused by opium derived drugs. It is up to the individual to put the drug into their system....even if it was prescribed for them by their doctor.

    Use of these drugs should be based strictly upon the need to avoid agonizing pain.... not mild pain mind you.....but agonizing pain.....and their use should be strictly controlled by the individual, knowing what happens to people who become addicted to drugs.

    No one is unaware what happens to drug addicts.

    Nowadays there's too much media that shows everyone the effects of drug addiction. Only a child or an idiot can use the excuse that they did not know what happens when you take opiate derived drugs for an extended period of time.

    There are so many people who are suffering with end-stage cancer as to make these drugs a necessity, because if you can have the last 3 to 6 months of your life experienced in relative comfort because you are taking a powerful narcotic, then it does not matter a bit if you are addicted to that drug in the final months of your life.

    However, if you have a slip-and-fall injury and you are silly enough to take 3 oxycodone a day for 3 weeks then I say good luck to you. Someone is about to sell you a bridge......it's located right down the East River near Brooklyn.
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    Drug cartel suppliers are terrorists to America. I would urge President Trump to adopt a simple three step process toward eliminating this threat to America and Americans.

    1. Deploy Recon units to pinpoint where they are operating
    2. Get Air Cav to play them some music to get their attention
    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY
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