Family member on Herion .. is there any cure ??

[timebuilder]

This is so true. He can't stay in contact with other active addicts. The temptation of their activity seems familiar, friendly, and represents pleasure. He must disown every one of them.

Many addicts report that they needed something larger than themselves from which to draw strength. This is why programs such as AA have been successful.

Here is a program we run at our church. You can find a chapter near you, or something similar. We are weak. He is strong.

https://rurecovery.com/

RU has no fees.

[DavidDeBord]

The only thing I really know, is that you need a reason to live. And a reason to stay off of the stuff that is ruining your life.

With all due respect, having a child does not automatically bestow a need to live. Anyone with the proper plumbing, regardless of intellect or reason, can bring a life into this world.

Without a [higher?] reason to stay sober [aka, a reason to live], it's likely the OP's nephew has no hope at all.

[Olivero]

Just came across this. Pretty interesting articles.

https://www.freedommag.org/magazine/...headlines.html

[timebuilder]

Just came across this. Pretty interesting articles.

https://www.freedommag.org/magazine/...headlines.html

I have to call into question the notion that pharmaceutical companies have been "peddling this stuff to an unsuspecting public." Nothing could be farther from the truth.

For decades, Americans have all heard of the devastation caused by opium derived drugs. It is up to the individual to put the drug into their system....even if it was prescribed for them by their doctor.

Use of these drugs should be based strictly upon the need to avoid agonizing pain.... not mild pain mind you.....but agonizing pain.....and their use should be strictly controlled by the individual, knowing what happens to people who become addicted to drugs.

No one is unaware what happens to drug addicts.

Nowadays there's too much media that shows everyone the effects of drug addiction. Only a child or an idiot can use the excuse that they did not know what happens when you take opiate derived drugs for an extended period of time.

There are so many people who are suffering with end-stage cancer as to make these drugs a necessity, because if you can have the last 3 to 6 months of your life experienced in relative comfort because you are taking a powerful narcotic, then it does not matter a bit if you are addicted to that drug in the final months of your life.

However, if you have a slip-and-fall injury and you are silly enough to take 3 oxycodone a day for 3 weeks then I say good luck to you. Someone is about to sell you a bridge......it's located right down the East River near Brooklyn.

[Poodle Head Mikey]

Drug cartel suppliers are terrorists to America. I would urge President Trump to adopt a simple three step process toward eliminating this threat to America and Americans.

1. Deploy Recon units to pinpoint where they are operating
2. Get Air Cav to play them some music to get their attention
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY

[Olivero]

I think there's a lot of different opinions and viewpoints to take it and to see it from.

There is a definite responsibility in the user but a lot of people consider the doctor the authority and if they tell you to do something, you do it because they are licensed and entrusted to troubleshoot you and figure out what you need. When they then turn around and over prescribe pills or prescribe pills that are dangerous, one might be foolish enough to take them without a second thought based on that trust.

One could second guess the prescription and figure out what the drug is before consuming it, sure, so in that aspect you can look at it from many views.

I am not trying to start some sort of war or anything, I just think it's a cool magazine with good articles and it seemed fitting here due to the OP's question.

[timebuilder]

I think the attitude about doctors and their authority went way with the onset of internet chat sites.

For those who grew up with that idea and still believe it, those folks are at risk. Most opiate abusers are under 40. They have to be. Keith Richards is the only man I know older than I am who has survived opiate addiction.

Seriously....is there a human over age 11 in this hemisphere that does not recognize the names of these drugs, and know that they are addictive? Really?

[timebuilder]

Drug cartel suppliers are terrorists to America. I would urge President Trump to adopt a simple three step process toward eliminating this threat to America and Americans.

1. Deploy Recon units to pinpoint where they are operating
2. Get Air Cav to play them some music to get their attention
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY

Amen. I volunteer to fly the C130.

[Poodle Head Mikey]

This is what we lack.

(just skip ahead to 2:38)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZPAa817xY

PHM
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Amen. I volunteer to fly the C130.

[timebuilder]

This is what we lack.

(just skip ahead to 2:38)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZPAa817xY

PHM
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In this case, it is not judgement that defeats us.

It is the fear that if we are victorious, there are those that will still shame us. Because, those who would shame us have no shame.

Fear is that enemy. Fear of shame.

[Poodle Head Mikey]

No; it's not judgement which defeats us right now - rather it is lack of the ten divisions of such men. <g>

PHM
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In this case, it is not judgement that defeats us.

It is the fear that if we are victorious, there are those that will still shame us. Because, those who would shame us have no shame.

Fear is that enemy. Fear of shame.

[joyknights]

I think he should undergo rehabilitation again and I guess it is true that bad habits die hard. If his family can't help him anymore then there's a must a professional help.

[COOLJIM]

Some years back I was supporting several family members with addiction . If you are in PA area you may have heard of Caron a treatment center. They have course which family member's are encouraged to take . where you are enlightened . The 3 C,s are taught . You did not Cause it... You can not Control it .. There is no CURE . With early Mortality as an outcome of addiction
A multi disciplined approach to treatment involves Spiritual guidance from Father Bill a recovering alcoholic , and Reverend Jack a recovering addict. There Sunday morning chapel service over 2 hours and full to capacity , was enlightening , moving , drama, thoughtful, and at times showed failure as a family member would bring a loved one back in an urn to be scattered under the tree. I attended every Sunday for 6 months. Chapel and classes and courses that were ran helped family to understand and cope with there loved ones addiction . and relapse does happen . Jim

[Snapperhead]

Drug cartel suppliers are terrorists to America. I would urge President Trump to adopt a simple three step process toward eliminating this threat to America and Americans

The Gov is too large , even for the almighty Trump to straighten out , and he is most likely the Only person on earth who could do it , or even have the "want" to do it

Its no secret there is ALOT of money being funneled into the Gov hands from Cartels , and ALOT of bad apples accepting it …

Its been going on for decades , and until the human being somehow loses the desire for the coveted Dolla Bill , it will never stop

[Poodle Head Mikey]

Well; I am willing to fail to gain an objective, if necessary, in order to ultimately advance. Let's just try some overwhelming force take-outs on the drug maker's workshops, houses, and other facilities and see how it goes. If in a year we are no further ahead then we can re-examine the strategy. What we have done far is clearly not advancing well - so let's pivot and see what else can be accomplish with an alternate approach.

PHM
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The Gov is too large , even for the almighty Trump to straighten out , and he is most likely the Only person on earth who could do it , or even have the "want" to do it

Its no secret there is ALOT of money being funneled into the Gov hands from Cartels , and ALOT of bad apples accepting it …

Its been going on for decades , and until the human being somehow loses the desire for the coveted Dolla Bill , it will never stop

[Snapperhead]

We already have small armies of people who create there own militias , and the name of what they are called escapes me right now … but they fight crime by volunteering

[shellkamp]

We already have small armies of people who create there own militias , and the name of what they are called escapes me right now … but they fight crime by volunteering

The guardian angels?

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[DavidDeBord]

Drug cartel suppliers are terrorists to America. I would urge President Trump to adopt a simple three step process toward eliminating this threat to America and Americans.

1. Deploy Recon units to pinpoint where they are operating
2. Get Air Cav to play them some music to get their attention
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY

I Absolutely Believe that America should destroy the "Source" of the Drugs, due to the fact that the Nations where these Drug Cartels operate, will not act against them.

I also believe that America should fortify it's borders, in order to stop the "Drug Trade", "Illegal Immigration", & "Terrorists".

But, ... Since Our Leadership, consists of both Republicans & Democrats, .... That's not gonna happen.

[DavidDeBord]

Amen. I volunteer to fly the C130.

"Falling Rain", ... lighting up the skies at night.

[DavidDeBord]

In this case, it is not judgement that defeats us.

It is the fear that if we are victorious, there are those that will still shame us. Because, those who would shame us have no shame.

Fear is that enemy. Fear of shame.