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  1. #14
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    Clean and dry flanges with a properly scuffed gasket...they won’t squish, slide or squirt out. I have had double the torque rating (accidentally) on some gaskets and they didn’t move. The outer surfaces stick and the inner material started to bulge out but that was it.
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    Have you all ever considered installing econ gkts the way they were intended instead of reinventing the wheel...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyD View Post
    Even on the old 4 bolt flanges? Wow! Didn't think there would be enough pressure to seal that hard gasket. Obviously the 515 helps! Do you use it on the R123 machines too? Have any come back and bite ya?
    I have a few customers that probably won't spend the money on a flange kit. If this is a better solution than the rubber gasket, I just may give it a shot.
    We made most of the 4 bolt flanges 8 bolt back in the early days, our office was using the Garlock back in the early 90's it didn't matter if it was R11 or 123. It was a much better solution than the rubber gaskets that would only seem to last 4-5 years, it didn't matter if it was an overhaul or a new start up, you could bank on pulling the economizer in the near future. It worked for us and a lot of other Trane offices, the guys that are still there still use the Garlock now, I've been on my own for the last 13 years and the Garlock is all I use still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerhappy View Post
    Have you all ever considered installing econ gkts the way they were intended instead of reinventing the wheel...lol
    It wasn't a very well designed wheel to begin with, I can remember sitting in LaCrosse for warranty conferences or chiller conferences and guys from all over the country complained about it for a long time. There were other offices around the country using the Garlock as well. They finally fixed it with the redesign, I've done a couple of retrofits, pricey but work well.
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    Its all in how you prep the surfaces and the gasket prior to install .
    80 plus overhauls mostly older Es&Fs never did a flange upgrade yet and not had one I couldnt get to seal and last .
    Only one I ever had An issue with was an old PCV that had the skinny thin rubber gasket on the liquid line to evap and it turned out to be an easy fix in that the pipe stuck through the flange to far so it wouldnt pull up tight . Quick work with a grinder fixed that .
    Scuff your rubber gaskets , put them in bone dry all surfaces new bolts with a smear of antisieze and your all good .
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    I have never had problems with leaking economizer gaskets, even 20 year old chillers with no overhauls were fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Healey Nut View Post
    Its all in how you prep the surfaces and the gasket prior to install .
    80 plus overhauls mostly older Es&Fs never did a flange upgrade yet and not had one I couldnt get to seal and last .
    Only one I ever had An issue with was an old PCV that had the skinny thin rubber gasket on the liquid line to evap and it turned out to be an easy fix in that the pipe stuck through the flange to far so it wouldnt pull up tight . Quick work with a grinder fixed that .
    Scuff your rubber gaskets , put them in bone dry all surfaces new bolts with a smear of antisieze and your all good .
    What do you use to scuff the gaskets? Scotch Brite pads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyD View Post
    What do you use to scuff the gaskets? Scotch Brite pads?
    Second stage CVHE vane paddle
    The toy chest is officially full ... I got a new toy..... 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage and yes it still gives me goosebumps
    You bend em" I"ll mend em" !!!!!!!
    I"m not a service tech.. I"m a thermodynamic transfer analyst & strategic system sustainability specialist
    In the new big shop , greasin', oilin' . tweakin' n shinin' !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Healey Nut View Post
    Second stage CVHE vane paddle
    Oh come on... really? Lol
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    I'm never going to live that one down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyD View Post
    I'm never going to live that one down!
    Failing the availability of the rare CVHE 2nd stage vane paddle you can always use the alternative.....sandcloth , scotch bite pad etc .
    The toy chest is officially full ... I got a new toy..... 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage and yes it still gives me goosebumps
    You bend em" I"ll mend em" !!!!!!!
    I"m not a service tech.. I"m a thermodynamic transfer analyst & strategic system sustainability specialist
    In the new big shop , greasin', oilin' . tweakin' n shinin' !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Healey Nut View Post
    Failing the availability of the rare CVHE 2nd stage vane paddle you can always use the alternative.....sandcloth , scotch bite pad etc .
    Hahaha, thanks!
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    I use an old, barely useable scotch brite pad on a die grinder. You can really keep control and just barely scuff the surface.
    Don't step on my favorite part of the Constitution just to point out your favorite part.

    Political Correctness is forced on you because you have forgotten decency.

    Technically speaking, they are all heat pumps.

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