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    Portable JACE Data Logger

    Looking to setup a single JACE to be a portable data logger for Schneider Powerlogic power meters
    (800 series). The existing power meters are tied to a network via Ethernet, but the network is
    indefinitely down due to 'security' issues. Even though each power meter has a IP address, to keep
    the 'portable JACE' logger simple, the idea is to use the modbus serial port to collect the data (avoid
    setting the IP address for a particular power meter). The workbench programing is to be done by a
    contractor - one time only programming.

    Any ideas on the JACE programming would be appreciated. One idea is to setup the laptop with an
    on-board email server (eg, Mercury32) and to set up the JACE to generate a report.

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    What do you need the PC for? The jace can email out the report with the logs as an attachment assuming it has outgoing internet access.

    Doesn't sound like there is much to this. Setup the modbus driver, pull them in and setup logs, series transform to bundle up the values you want, use the report/email services to shoot it out.

    Wish they would come out with a 4G cell modem for the 8000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tridiumtech View Post
    ~network via Ethernet, but the network is indefinitely down due to 'security' issues.
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    One idea is to setup the laptop with an on-board email server (eg, Mercury32) and to set up the JACE to generate a report.
    If there is no network how are you going to mail reports? Deploying your own mail server is the sort of thing that gets you kicked off of networks in the first place. You are working around people you should be working with...

    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    ~Wish they would come out with a 4G cell modem for the 8000.
    Yes, that would be a nice work around for the above issues. This is how you really get around local IT.

    So I was looking into different cell modems recently because apparently getting an ISP into a building in a city is difficult. So we are making a rider for our hosting options for us to be the ISP and we need devices. I searched around and there is a lot of consumer level garbage out there and we even have two of them in service now, no need to mention as they are end of life and not sold any more. I asked around for a commercial solution we could depend on and everyone plus their sister came back with Cradlepoint. Seems these are the things in police cars for their data connectivity. They seem a little pricey to me but apparently are the last word in a good solution here. If anyone knows something in this area I would like to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    I asked around for a commercial solution we could depend on and everyone plus their sister came back with Cradlepoint. Seems these are the things in police cars for their data connectivity.
    Peplink does the same and if you have to manage a wad of them their cloud service is pretty nice. If the device has signal there isn't much you cannot do. They also offer pretty good discounts on bulk purchases.

    https://www.peplink.com/products/max...ngle-cellular/

    Been using that guy for almost 10yrs now. Firmware is constantly updated, never had one lockup or bricked during firmware upgrade. Been rock solid devices.
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    Thanks for the (quick) dialog & comments.

    The Ethernet network for the Powerlogic meters was disconnected (military installation - security issues - this is happening alot). There was never Internet connectivity (even cellular routers are forbidden). So you hook a JACE to the power meter (via the serial port) and collect data - yes, sound basic. So how do you get the data after a couple of weeks of trending? That's what the laptop is used for - the (one) idea is to use a web-browser, key in the IP address of the JACE. A simple .px graphic appears where you 'click' to get the log report (eg, csv) via an email service. One free email server is "Mercury32" Anyone heard of it? Got the "Mercury32" tip from Tridium tech support.

    Or maybe the JACE can write to a USB stick? I'm a bit in 'uncharted waters' - maybe the new 8000 JACES can do this. That would be cool - the .csv file is sent to the USB flash drive.

    Also, just found out that the last date to purchase -300E & -600E is July 1st (from Tridium tech support).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tridiumtech View Post
    A simple .px graphic appears where you 'click' to get the log report (eg, csv) via an email service. One free email server is "Mercury32" Anyone heard of it?
    Would skip that. If its no internet period, have the report service write the history as csv to the local file system. Then ftp into the jace and grab it. Should be easy to script something using nothing more than the windows command line.

    Write it to USB? That would be way too easy, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    They seem a little pricey to me but apparently are the last word in a good solution here. If anyone knows something in this area I would like to hear it.
    We have 3 cradle points deployed and haven’t had a single problem. Two of them we have actually sold to customers at cost but maintain them on our Verizon account. While we don’t make any money off them, it’s saved us from running several “warranty” calls that were actually mechanical problems. We simply bill the customer every 6 months for the internet connection. If you aren’t in a huge hurry to get a bunch of them, they can be had on eBay, brand new with a pretty nice discount. Verizon (and I assume other carriers) charge a one time fee ($500) to set up your account for static up adresses. That fee gets you as many static adresses as you need, you simply pay the normal data allotment for for each line. The other nice thing is that at least with Verizon, the data is pooled between devices.

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    On the .gov facility I was recently at no wireless, cameras, phones, USB or computers could be brought into the building. They provided a laptop with camera, USB ports, WiFi card and cd/dvd drive removed. We also had escorts everywhere we went. This is becoming more and more the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontrolphreak View Post
    We also had escorts everywhere we went
    Every time I hear escorts are required the picture in my mind never seems to line up with reality.

    Escorts aside, there is typically a process. Least I haven't see having to resort to pencil and paper or punch cards just to get some logs out of sensitive location.
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    The situation with the 'Portable JACE Logger' is that the client does not have Workbench and does not want it and does not have staff that knows it. The client wants a simple as possible tech 'solution' - connect the JACE ('black box') to the PowerLogic power meter (serial port), plug in a laptop (Ethernet), get a graphic display (ie, .px view), click on some button(s) to start the trending and later click some button(s) to download the .csv file to the laptop. That's pretty much the SOO. But thanks for all the great comments (more so related to those who know & use workbench). Yes, I was suspicious about writing having the JACE write to a flash stick - that's a big Niagara framework 'no-no' - yes, too good to be true.

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    What about the software the meters come with? It should do all those things but you need a computer there to run a and view it.

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    What about a Loytec LINX server?
    Has the modbus interface, RTU or IP. has the email server, web ui, and some have SD slot and or USB for external storage if the internal storage isn't enough (4 million records I think?).
    LINX configurator is free.

    From the website:
    Devices that support SD cards and have a USB port also allow the storage of trend log data on external memory. The time of backing up trend logs can be triggered by the user on the LCD display or by defined, automatic trigger conditions.

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