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    Where will they work ?

    I very very often ask the question:

    So where will everybody work?

    And this in regard to the fact that neither Corporate America nor The US Government, nor even American Society in general shows any interest in providing the required job opportunities for The People.

    The US job losses over the last thirty years are substantial - and most especially in those easiest to replace via automation. That is; for people with an IQ under about 90-92.

    It is incredibly interesting to me that the US Military will not allow anyone to join with an IQ under 83. Why? Because those under-83-IQ cannot be trained, not even by the Military, to do Any Job in the US Military.

    And . . . . people 83-IQ and below make up about TEN PERCENT of American Citizens. If you expand that to the low 90's it becomes about A Third of America's population.

    I have been poking around for added support for my basic societal rant and towards that end I recently discovered that a favorite of mine has youtube videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YWjSQHfV5U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Ur71ZnNVk

    OK: Nobody wants to fund minimum-income payments, social support programs, or . . . . apparently any efforts to provide these people with do-able-for-them jobs.

    But: Everybody wants crime, poverty, and hunger in America to go down.

    So why am I the only slob railing about it ? <g>
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    I've mentioned something along these lines, too.

    My rant has always been that Americans demands cheap goods, so that "everybody can afford them"

    The means to that result has almost, without fail, meant the transference of a low-skills American job to a low-skills "offshore-persons" job, or as you also mention - automation.

    "Great, things are more affordable! Now if we could only find jobs again!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    I very very often ask the question:

    So where will everybody work?

    And this in regard to the fact that neither Corporate America nor The US Government, nor even American Society in general shows any interest in providing the required job opportunities for The People.

    The US job losses over the last thirty years are substantial - and most especially in those easiest to replace via automation. That is; for people with an IQ under about 90-92.

    It is incredibly interesting to me that the US Military will not allow anyone to join with an IQ under 83. Why? Because those under-83-IQ cannot be trained, not even by the Military, to do Any Job in the US Military.

    And . . . . people 83-IQ and below make up about TEN PERCENT of American Citizens. If you expand that to the low 90's it becomes about A Third of America's population.

    I have been poking around for added support for my basic societal rant and towards that end I recently discovered that a favorite of mine has youtube videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YWjSQHfV5U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-Ur71ZnNVk

    OK: Nobody wants to fund minimum-income payments, social support programs, or . . . . apparently any efforts to provide these people with do-able-for-them jobs.

    But: Everybody wants crime, poverty, and hunger in America to go down.

    So why am I the only slob railing about it ? <g>
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    If I were president I would make it the responsibility of the government to give a job to anyone who wants one.

    I agree a lot of good jobs have left this country and it's largely due to cooperate greed because they can make a few more bucks by using cheaper labor in mainly China.

    As much as I can't stand Trump on a personal level I want to be fair and acknowledge he's right to impose tariffs and throw NAFTA into the garbage can. Now it's up to the US companies to restore US jobs because it's no longer cheaper for them to use overseas labor anymore.....

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    Watched that first video and concluded I’m not real smart, lol. Have figured out how to make a living though.

    Not really businesses role to provide jobs for smart or dumb folks. Business job is to make as much money as possible.

    I sometimes want to buy in to the libertarian party. Thank you Phm, for reminding me why the libertarian party while good on paper would not work.

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    The hard truth, that so few seem to want to embrace, is that it's not all one way or all the other way. Each extreme is flawed in some ways - but that doesn't mean you have to discard the good along with the bad in avoiding either extreme.

    I am with you Conservative America! I too want as little government as possible - but I still want the job of government done adequately. I do not want to waste time, energy, or resources - but I do think we should do what it takes to get the job done.

    No; business cannot be expected to want to take care of the people - but government Can be expected to force them to do it. And we, The People, must demand that they do. The Government in America IS US. There has to be a way to have a success. I cannot believe that WE, as Americans, cannot find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobie View Post
    Watched that first video and concluded I’m not real smart, lol. Have figured out how to make a living though.

    Not really businesses role to provide jobs for smart or dumb folks. Business job is to make as much money as possible.

    I sometimes want to buy in to the libertarian party. Thank you Phm, for reminding me why the libertarian party while good on paper would not work.
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    To start with a major restructure of the educational system is in order. Expectations have been lowered over the years to the point that the truly talented need a lot more than talent to reach their full potential. What does that do for the less talented? The less talented do well enough to think they are better than they are but have no idea what their true capabilities are. They enter college and get a 4 or 5 year degree in something they can't market. They take a job they think is below their education level. It so happens their IQ may be 90 but with a college degree they can take a job that the 80 IQ person could handle.
    If the government is to do anything they should prohibit worthless college degrees. If you can't market the degree it isn't worth having and certainly isn't worth the money and effort to get. Government has that right because the educational system is tax funded. Quit telling people they are being held down by other people because it just isn't true. That crap discourages people from trying and you can't know success if you don't put out the effort.
    I know an individual that got a 5 year degree. He got a job that he decided was beneath a 5 year college person so he quit. Months went by and he couldn't even get a job equivalent to the one he quit. He ended up driving a truck to keep from starving. That should not happen.

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    Following up on Wayne's post...

    If we get RID of student loans... the cost of education would drastically go DOWN... quickly!
    And an interesting side effect might be... kids would not get a degree in basket weaving... if they KNEW they could not get a job with it... especially if THEY were paying for the education!

    Our local consumer advocate (Clark Howard) says: for the first 2 years of college... kids should live at home with their parents and go to a public community college. Then Xfer to a state public school and finish their degrees.
    Doing this will drastically lower the student loans... and the degree will get them the same job as the 4 years of high debt education at the big state school!
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    Education system works fine for intelligent kids. My children went to public schools and then a big liberal university. Plenty of opportunity and job offers after graduation.

    I don’t agree going to community college two years and then transferring as a good strategy. If money is tight let the kid get a part time job before starting at cc.

    I also know some very successful people in the hvac field with liberal arts degrees. The key is how smart yins are a lot more than what degree you got or didn’t get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    The hard truth, that so few seem to want to embrace, is that it's not all one way or all the other way. Each extreme is flawed in some ways - but that doesn't mean you have to discard the good along with the bad in avoiding either extreme.

    I am with you Conservative America! I too want as little government as possible - but I still want the job of government done adequately. I do not want to waste time, energy, or resources - but I do think we should do what it takes to get the job done.

    No; business cannot be expected to want to take care of the people - but government Can be expected to force them to do it. And we, The People, must demand that they do. The Government in America IS US. There has to be a way to have a success. I cannot believe that WE, as Americans, cannot find it.

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    Unless something Ground Shaking happens soon, .... We're heading down th' Toilet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoobie View Post
    Education system works fine for intelligent kids. My children went to public schools and then a big liberal university. Plenty of opportunity and job offers after graduation.

    I don’t agree going to community college two years and then transferring as a good strategy. If money is tight let the kid get a part time job before starting at cc.

    I also know some very successful people in the hvac field with liberal arts degrees. The key is how smart yins are a lot more than what degree you got or didn’t get.
    Not sure if you are aware of it Scoobie...
    Some kids are graduating the big name school with over $100,000 in education debt...
    Not exactly a good way to start out your professional life...
    When doing without the social experience... could reduce that by 2/3 to 3/4!

    So tell me Scoobie... what is wrong with the idea of staying home and going to a community college the first 2 years... other than the personal prestige???
    Specific details please...
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    I blame the democraps.
    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

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    How many architects, engineers, scientist or jet aircraft mechanics do you know scoobie that only studied subjects unrelated to their expertise? Explain how it makes sense to study one thing and then work in an entirely different field.
    I have done design work for two of these displaced liberal arts bone heads and what amazed me the most was how they found their way to work every day. They were clueless when it came to mechanical design but didn't have enough understanding to recognize it. We had to meet with them every Friday and every Friday they came to the office challenging something. After the first meeting I took my design calculations to the meetings and gave them a copy on whatever they challenged. After the third meeting they started challenging things they didn't think had to be calculated.
    How would you like a liberal arts major to design the brakes on semi trucks or maybe the structural integrity of your house?
    Studying one thing and doing another makes as much sense as buying a part for your car and trying to install it on your lap top.
    mm posted that he was an English teacher and wanted to get into the HVAC field. He did the right thing and studied HVAC. That is different than studying English and upon graduation getting a job as an HVAC tech.

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    That is true - but it's a smaller part of the job-loss-problem. Most lost-jobs did not 'go overseas' - the bulk of American jobs have been lost to the automating of the jobs, and to a lesser extent, to the obsoleting of jobs. In the case of mining for example it has been both.

    I see it every day - big stores have at least self-checkout lanes - and usually more of them than manned-checkout lanes. Some stores have Fully Automated Shopping - an application on your cell phone monitors what you put into your cart and charges your credit card automatically - and then a scanner at the exit automatically verifies that your cart content matches what you have paid for.

    Why do we have homeless people roaming the streets? We closed down all of the mental health in-patient facilities and turned the people out with zero support system. Why do we have increasing crime? Poor people are numbed by what might be called 'a public upbringing' into having no empathy and so the easy justification-process for criminal activity.

    The blame lies superficially in the Corporatism Of America. BUT; the ultimate blame falls squarely on The American People. Because we have allowed a government full of 'representatives' who do not act to protect us from the excesses of unfettered Corporate Striving - or for that matter; to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. (hmmm . . . now where did I read That? <g>)

    Business Corporations are an emotion-less and mindless machine with a single purpose. No; two: to maximize it's income and to perpetuate itself indefinitely. That is fine for corporations as that is their nature. But we are The People - and only the humanity of Rational Mankind can shape the world of people properly.

    Everybody requires a working life. Idle-ness ultimately does injury to self-respect and to a sense of personal self-worth. A viable and vibrant society cannot be long based on it.

    Of course vote-buying idleness cannot be condoned - but there are always going to be some people, who, for a hundred perfectly good reasons, cannot work. Our Society has to arrange for their well being - if only out of the selfishness of societal self-perservation.

    Nobody wants to fund it - but it is very much a: Pay Now - or Pay More Later issue. The "so where is everybody going to work" problem is huge and ever growing. As Jordan noted; the under-83-IQ segment of the American Public is about 10%. Hell; that is about 35,000,000 people that are too dumb to even join the military - even at the most basic level. What civilian job are they possibly qualified for? And America is eliminating jobs well above their abilities at an ever increasing rate! And The Public cheers the Convenience and the Progress we are enjoying.

    Rome burns and we are all delighted that marshmallows are on sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellkamp View Post
    I've mentioned something along these lines, too.

    My rant has always been that Americans demands cheap goods, so that "everybody can afford them"

    The means to that result has almost, without fail, meant the transference of a low-skills American job to a low-skills "offshore-persons" job, or as you also mention - automation.

    "Great, things are more affordable! Now if we could only find jobs again!"



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