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    Quote Originally Posted by Norriski Tech View Post
    Were just facing this also. I have all 32bit Niagara loaded on my 64bit machine to be able to use the lon stick. We've heard it works with 4.9 and looks like cljohnson has confirmed that .But what to do with a machine with multiple vendors and many versions installed in AX and N4 at using 32bit? Once 64 bit is installed a new host ID is generated, and you have a car bomb! I have HW, Distech, and JCI all loaded and we can play the 32bit and 64bit license swap around with our supplier until each yearly renew. What a damn mess!! So you load 64bit versions and use 4.9 with the lon stick, and every version prior is tossed in the trash? What a pile of pooh!
    Might as well get a new computer with all the software you’ll need to reinstall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norriski Tech View Post
    we can play the 32bit and 64bit license swap around with our supplier until each yearly renew. What a damn mess!! So you load 64bit versions and use 4.9 with the lon stick, and every version prior is tossed in the trash? What a pile of pooh!
    Kinda the crap you get for dealing with controls that have dying support. Writing has been on the wall for a decade or more now for lon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    Kinda the crap you get for dealing with controls that have dying support. Writing has been on the wall for a decade or more now for lon.
    Seriously. Couple more red flags just for fun;

    1. echelon.com Security certificate expired AUGUST 20th. Some orgs forget to renew and have an expired cert for a couple days but weeks of people getting click through warnings on your main website?

    2. The SLTA-10 windows driver was last updated in 2002 and requires 32bit windows. By the way it's 2020 and nobody has 32bit computer OS any more. This thing is the only reason I have my old computer still, need that 32bit OS. https://www.echelon.com/software-dow...e=153-0026-01B

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    echelon.com Security certificate expired AUGUST 20th. Some orgs forget to renew and have an expired cert for a couple days but weeks of people getting click through warnings on your main website?
    Comical. The ships still sails, but nobody's piloting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigguy158 View Post
    Might as well get a new computer with all the software you’ll need to reinstall.


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    Nah! I like to gripe but have my thoughts on ways around this. One being VM's, and some other ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    Kinda the crap you get for dealing with controls that have dying support. Writing has been on the wall for a decade or more now for lon.
    Oh for sure! It's almost out to pasture. With a large install base it's sometimes a hard sell to rip it all out when the customer see's a fully functioning system. One of our site has 50 jaces all LON! How hard would it be for Tridium to figure out the licensing thing so 32 bit and 64 bit install's wouldn't generate a new host ID? Asking out of stupidity! Would it not be possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norriski Tech View Post
    Oh for sure! It's almost out to pasture. With a large install base it's sometimes a hard sell to rip it all out when the customer see's a fully functioning system. One of our site has 50 jaces all LON!
    Most of the crap I deal with yet like this, I can do what I need in the Jace or xyz problem device gets replaced.

    Its not long before the last few LNS managed customers get told we cannot support them anymore. Will discount an upgrade or reefer them to someone that enjoys misery. Too costly to maintain techs, software, etc on most of these systems anymore when there is plenty of stuff from the 21st century. These are such a small percentage of our customer base, its simply not worth it much longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norriski Tech View Post
    How hard would it be for Tridium to figure out the licensing thing so 32 bit and 64 bit install's wouldn't generate a new host ID?
    Doubt its really the licensing that's their issue. Its supporting two different drivers and all the OS versions for something that has squat for sales. Same reason I don't want to mess with LNS anymore. Headache exceeds profit.

    Feel your pain if that's the bulk of your base. Deal with owners that want to keep every last site. Staring at the point now that numbers don't lie. If your close, we might have a few sites for you soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    Most of the crap I deal with yet like this, I can do what I need in the Jace or xyz problem device gets replaced.

    Its not long before the last few LNS managed customers get told we cannot support them anymore. Will discount an upgrade or reefer them to someone that enjoys misery. Too costly to maintain techs, software, etc on most of these systems anymore when there is plenty of stuff from the 21st century. These are such a small percentage of our customer base, its simply not worth it much longer.



    Doubt its really the licensing that's their issue. Its supporting two different drivers and all the OS versions for something that has squat for sales. Same reason I don't want to mess with LNS anymore. Headache exceeds profit.



    Feel your pain if that's the bulk of your base. Deal with owners that want to keep every last site. Staring at the point now that numbers don't lie. If your close, we might have a few sites for you soon.
    Think your right about dollars versus effort. It all boils down to that in the end. The laptop takes a lot for me to keep it current with all the crap I work on. Once its working well I just want to grab it and go,and hate the up-keep of it sometimes. I'm a guy who fixed mechanical stuff for years.Software and something I can't beat with a hammer to make work is frustrating. Probably no biggie for someone who enjoys computers. Funny I use one for a job everyday!! Square peg round hole over here! LOL
    Our customer base is mostly bacnet anymore, but we have the few large sites that would be truck loads of money to rip out the LON. Near as I can tell we're about as far from each other as it gets!! How about remote access? You know upgrades from 5000 miles away LOL!!

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    You hit all the pain points.

    To each his own. At some point one has to say enough is enough, its only costing us money to support this and its a loser more often than not. At that point, let me reefer you to someone else or offer a discount. We are parting ways otherwise. Hate to lose sites, but there is certainly a point that its just becomes impossible to support as staff moves on over the decades and the system still revolves around XP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    You hit all the pain points.

    To each his own. At some point one has to say enough is enough, its only costing us money to support this and its a loser more often than not. At that point, let me reefer you to someone else or offer a discount. We are parting ways otherwise.
    Yes you're very right in all you say. Not sure how many companies share that approach. We seems to bend over backwards to keep supporting these systems. Or maybe we just bend over???

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    Nope. I deal with owners that want to hold on to anything to no end.

    Deal with the same insanity. Numbers however don't lie regardless how ownership wants to sugar coat them. I just keep poking the bear with reality. Hard to argue with the numbers stripped from any BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    Seriously. Couple more red flags just for fun;

    1. echelon.com Security certificate expired AUGUST 20th. Some orgs forget to renew and have an expired cert for a couple days but weeks of people getting click through warnings on your main website?

    2. The SLTA-10 windows driver was last updated in 2002 and requires 32bit windows. By the way it's 2020 and nobody has 32bit computer OS any more. This thing is the only reason I have my old computer still, need that 32bit OS. https://www.echelon.com/software-dow...e=153-0026-01B
    Echelon was bought by Adesto... scratch that, Dialog Semiconductor bought Adesto. Who's next?

    https://www.dialog-semiconductor.com...work-interface

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    Its not long before the last few LNS managed customers get told we cannot support them anymore.
    As late as 2017 I was seeing new LNS installations on Army bases per the Army's spec. Every building I saw had at least one laptop laying in a panel with a USB interface. I still have one school running LNS in their administration building even though the rest of the school district has moved on to JACEs and an N4 supervisor. I offered to give the school an old JACE 6 I had lying around if they would cover the time to integrate into the supervisor and I can't get them to bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digo View Post
    SLTA-10 Serial LonTalk Adapter (requires separate driver).

    Which this site doesn't have. Interestingly enough they mention the driver being available for download, but none of the versions of windows to the right are checked. http://docs.adestotech.com/display/P...atibility+List

    If I ran into this more than a couple times a year I'd get the USB tool, granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    Serial LonTalk
    Man. Raise your hand if your still rocking a ISA lonworks interface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion242 View Post
    Man. Raise your hand if your still rocking a ISA lonworks interface.
    It's more of a tool so I can go in and get the pints list with node utility. But, yeah ALC still uses the SLTA-10 as their only way to integrate to LON.

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    Unbelievable. This crossed my desk today.

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    On its way to the bin? Most of our servers do actually still have PCI, but it's only one port now and I expect that to go away soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxBurn View Post
    On its way to the bin? Most of our servers do actually still have PCI, but it's only one port now and I expect that to go away soon.
    I have an open door policy now.

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    We had an 'incident' this week caused by others that also brings up another thing that looks to make this a really bad idea.

    What is the electrical isolation on this card? Doesn't look good at a glance. Running a field buss right into a PC running LNS and loads of other unsupported software aka a machine that just needs to work and no backup strategy because we can't be bothered? Nothing short of insanity, imo.
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