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    Trump's Trade Negotiations with China and Mexico Begin to Have Results

    China Underestimated Trump – Beijing Attempts To Coerce Europe in Desperate Bid To Create Trade Firewall…

    As expected, China is starting to realize they underestimated the severity of President Trump’s three-decade-long perspective on trade.

    Against the backdrop of $150 billion in looming U.S. trade tariffs, Beijing sends an economic emissary to Europe attempting to restructure international trade agreements.
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    Historic Chinese geopolitical policy, vis-a-vis their totalitarian control over political sentiment (action) and diplomacy through silence, is evident in the strategic use of the space between carefully chosen words, not just the words themselves.

    Each time China takes aggressive action (red dragon) China projects a panda face through silence and non-response to opinion of that action;…. and the action continues. The red dragon has a tendency to say one necessary thing publicly, while manipulating another necessary thing privately. The Art of War.

    President Trump is the first U.S. President to understand how the red dragon hides behind the panda mask.

    It is specifically because he understands that Panda is a mask that President Trump messages warmth toward the Chinese people, and pours vociferous praise upon Xi Jinping, while simultaneously confronting the geopolitical doctrine of the Xi regime.

    In essence Trump is mirroring the behavior of China while confronting their economic duplicity.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...rade-firewall/
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    JHC... lol
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    President Trump Makes Major Trade Move – Requests Secretary Ross Consideration for 232 Investigation into Automobile Industry…
    Posted on May 23, 2018 by sundance

    Big picture move by President Trump today that has massive, and generally misinterpreted, ramifications for any trade deal with China, EU and most importantly NAFTA.

    China is using U.S. nuclear negotiations with North Korea as leverage for more beneficial trade outcomes; the communist regime is in full manipulative dragon-mode. President Trump can see through the economic play and is dropping the Panda outreach. Eagle-one now hits back at Chairman Xi for deploying such dangerous tactics.

    If you have been following trade nuance, the Automobile Sector is one of the biggest points of contention within varying trade negotiations. In the NAFTA discussion the auto-sector, via rules of origin, runs at the heart of NAFTA’s fatal flaw.

    The fatal flaw is the use of Asian, mostly Chinese, auto components within auto manufacturing. Mexico and Canada arguing to allow more Chinese auto parts in North American manufacturing; and President Trump demanding more North American parts for North American auto manufacturing.

    Many U.S. Auto manufacturers have moved to Mexico to exploit the NAFTA loophole (fatal flaw). Vehicles assembled in Mexico use cheaper Chinese parts and are shipped into the U.S. without any tariff under NAFTA rules.

    It didn’t take long before EU auto-manufacturers, mostly German, to begin taking the same approach. Albeit to a lesser extent, German auto companies also invested in building vehicles in Mexico/Canada for tariff-free transfer into the U.S. This works out great for Canada and Mexico auto-workers, but not for the U.S.

    In essence, the auto-sector is representative of much of the manufacturing exploitation by multinational corporations beyond vehicle production. China has supported this approach because they produce the components for multiple sectors (furniture, appliances etc).

    Additionally, during President Obama’s administration General Motors also spent a great deal of money in China, and many of the GM brands are built exclusively -and entirely- in China.

    The auto-sector is much more than just complete assembled vehicles. In many ways the core trade issues of part origination, manufacturing and assembly of multiple durable goods sectors are represented within the auto industry process.

    Current trade negotiations with the EU, China and NAFTA have reached a loggerhead status around these core issues. Multinational ‘Wall Street’ corporations are unwilling to lose their prior multi-billion investments and take a new ‘America-First’ approach. POTUS Trump is rightly angered by many of them because he specifically offset any investment losses with a new U.S. corporate tax structure.

    All of that said, the issues with the auto-sector have now rippled out into other trade sectors with discussions coming to a standstill until the auto issues are resolved.

    Enter President Trump with the plan.

    Knowing all of the outlier, generally lesser, trade sectors are being impacted over the Chinese auto component issue, President Trump cuts the Gordian Knot and tells Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to consider a Section 232 review of the auto industry as it pertains to imports.

    Statement from the President on Potential National Security Investigation into Automobile Imports

    Today, I met with Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross to discuss the current state of our automobile industry. I instructed Secretary Ross to consider initiating a Section 232 investigation into imports of automobiles, including trucks, and automotive parts to determine their effects on Americas national security. Core industries such as automobiles and automotive parts are critical to our strength as a Nation. (https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject...ati-1826277073 )

    Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (19 U.S.C. §1862) authorizes the Secretary of Commerce to conduct comprehensive investigations to determine the effects of imports of any article on the national security of the United States. As often stated by President Trump, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross: “economic security is national security.”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...bile-industry/


    See also:

    Understanding Why NAFTA Exit is a Forgone Conclusion…
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ne-conclusion/

    Mexico Is on the Verge of Becoming Venezuela
    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....ming-Venezuela

    NAFTA Update – Important White House Meeting With Auto Manufacturers Backstops Freeland Meeting With Paul Ryan…
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ith-paul-ryan/

    Fact Sheet: Section 232 Investigations: The Effect of Imports on the National Security
    https://www.commerce.gov/news/fact-s...ional-security
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    Trump is a ****ing idiot. I bought my Japanese truck in Canada and it was built in the U.S using parts made in Canada, America, and Japan among other places. Vehicle brands are global and employ a global workforce. If he enacts tariffs to protect American workers he is going to end up hurting American workers as tariffs work both ways. Vehicles are very expensive to transport which is why GM has plants in Asia to supply the Asian market and Asian brands have plants in North America to supply the North American market. NAFTA is a huge reason they built plants in the first since it lets them have an unbroken supply chain to supply this market. Tariffs don't have a huge track record of success vs free trade.

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    Tariffs do work both ways. And I thing Trudeau is a ****ing no eye-brow idiot. Maybe he was crying that day...IDK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    Trump is a ****ing idiot. I bought my Japanese truck in Canada and it was built in the U.S using parts made in Canada, America, and Japan among other places. Vehicle brands are global and employ a global workforce. If he enacts tariffs to protect American workers he is going to end up hurting American workers as tariffs work both ways. Vehicles are very expensive to transport which is why GM has plants in Asia to supply the Asian market and Asian brands have plants in North America to supply the North American market. NAFTA is a huge reason they built plants in the first since it lets them have an unbroken supply chain to supply this market. Tariffs don't have a huge track record of success vs free trade.
    Funny Sooty your pansy PM just got handed his ass by the great Trump. He was all friendly to Trump during the meeting and agreed to a plan for some reduction in tariffs with future talks to reduce tariffs. The G7 communique was full of leftist BS with some talk of reducing tariffs but all fluff and not meat.

    Trump was right to reject it. Now Canada is going to feel the heat with loss of jobs thanks to Trudeau. Thank you very much



    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ent-trump-g7s/

    It held a panoply of meaningless leftist buzzwords that the U.S. was supposed to embrace, including "such phrases as 'sustainable development,' 'gender equality and women's empowerment,' 'fair' and 'progressive' tax systems, a 'level playing field,' 'affordable healthcare,' a 'healthy planet,' and 'quality work environments.' "

    None of those thing, by the way, have anything whatsoever to do with government. As a matter of fact, intervention of incompetent governments makes most of those things measurably worse.
    All told, the communique contains 27 points made in five major sections. All of them enlighten citizens around the world about how to think about everything, from gender and jobs to peace and climate change.
    The leadership of the nations allied with the U.S. come up short. They've ridden the anti-Trump wave of the so-called Progressives, rolling their eyes at his comments and acting as if he, not they, are the problem.
    That's particularly true of trade.

    The summit communique, for instance, exhorts G-7 members to "reduce tariff bers, non-tariff barriers and subsidies."
    A reasonable goal, most economists would agree. The G-7 leaders get angry at Trump because he believes that current trade deals, while good on some levels, actually are unfair to the U.S. Whether you agree or not, it's certainly a debatable point, particularly with regard to trade with China.

    But what did Trump say at his press conference as he left the fruitless G-7 confab to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un?
    "You want a tariff-free (trade system), you want no barriers, and you want no subsidies because you have some cases where countries are subsidizing industries, and that's not fair," Trump said, elaborating his own ideas about trade, developed, he said, from his time at the Wharton School of Finance. "So you go tariff-free, you go barrier-free, you go subsidy-free."
    Sounds pretty free trade to us. The fact that he questions current trade deals doesn't signal a hatred of free trade. It does show a disdain for deals that pretend to be free trade but are really government managed trade. Often to the U.S.' detriment.
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."

    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooty View Post
    Trump is a ****ing idiot. I bought my Japanese truck in Canada and it was built in the U.S using parts made in Canada, America, and Japan among other places. Vehicle brands are global and employ a global workforce. If he enacts tariffs to protect American workers he is going to end up hurting American workers as tariffs work both ways. Vehicles are very expensive to transport which is why GM has plants in Asia to supply the Asian market and Asian brands have plants in North America to supply the North American market. NAFTA is a huge reason they built plants in the first since it lets them have an unbroken supply chain to supply this market. Tariffs don't have a huge track record of success vs free trade.
    Tariffs?

    What tariffs?

    Are you talking about the 12,000 tariffs that are already in place or the one or two hypothetical tariffs Trump is using to rattle some cages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Funny Sooty your pansy PM just got handed his ass by the great Trump. He was all friendly to Trump during the meeting and agreed to a plan for some reduction in tariffs with future talks to reduce tariffs. The G7 communique was full of leftist BS with some talk of reducing tariffs but all fluff and not meat.

    Trump was right to reject it. Now Canada is going to feel the heat with loss of jobs thanks to Trudeau. Thank you very much



    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ent-trump-g7s/

    It held a panoply of meaningless leftist buzzwords that the U.S. was supposed to embrace, including "such phrases as 'sustainable development,' 'gender equality and women's empowerment,' 'fair' and 'progressive' tax systems, a 'level playing field,' 'affordable healthcare,' a 'healthy planet,' and 'quality work environments.' "

    None of those thing, by the way, have anything whatsoever to do with government. As a matter of fact, intervention of incompetent governments makes most of those things measurably worse.
    All told, the communique contains 27 points made in five major sections. All of them enlighten citizens around the world about how to think about everything, from gender and jobs to peace and climate change.
    The leadership of the nations allied with the U.S. come up short. They've ridden the anti-Trump wave of the so-called Progressives, rolling their eyes at his comments and acting as if he, not they, are the problem.
    That's particularly true of trade.

    The summit communique, for instance, exhorts G-7 members to "reduce tariff bers, non-tariff barriers and subsidies."
    A reasonable goal, most economists would agree. The G-7 leaders get angry at Trump because he believes that current trade deals, while good on some levels, actually are unfair to the U.S. Whether you agree or not, it's certainly a debatable point, particularly with regard to trade with China.

    But what did Trump say at his press conference as he left the fruitless G-7 confab to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un?
    "You want a tariff-free (trade system), you want no barriers, and you want no subsidies because you have some cases where countries are subsidizing industries, and that's not fair," Trump said, elaborating his own ideas about trade, developed, he said, from his time at the Wharton School of Finance. "So you go tariff-free, you go barrier-free, you go subsidy-free."
    Sounds pretty free trade to us. The fact that he questions current trade deals doesn't signal a hatred of free trade. It does show a disdain for deals that pretend to be free trade but are really government managed trade. Often to the U.S.' detriment.

    Trudeau didn't get anything handed to him. Did you even see the little press conference Trudeau held? Nothing he said was inflammatory or insulting or was different from anything he has said before. Canada is the largest market for U.S goods so before you start gloating about how wise Trump so you might want to look closely at the details. Trudeau is also an idiot and I hate having to defend him but in this dispute he is right and it pains me to have to say that.

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    President Trump Responds to Earlier Comments From Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau…
    Posted on May 31, 2018 by sundance

    Grab your winnamins and hide the Ju-Ju bones. I thought this was going to be an issue when Prime Minister Trudeau publicly told reporters the content of a private conversation between Vice-President Mike Pence and himself. With incredibly bad diplomatic form, Justin from Canada has not only cemented the Steel and Aluminum tariffs as permanent – but Trudeau has likely destroyed any hope of the U.S. remaining in NAFTA.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ustin-trudeau/
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    The backdoor Nafta loopholes used by Mexico and Canada are causing more problems for the US and creating bigger reasons to add more tariffs.

    The Canadian and Mexican economy (due to NAFTA) cannot survive without importing cheap durable goods from China to use in their assembly-based economies, and then trans-ship into the U.S market. However, the U.S. economy can survive, it can actually expand BIGLY, without accepting trans-shipped assembled goods from Mexico and Canada

    Put simply, without NAFTA, the assembly processes just moves INTO the U.S because the market *is* the United States. We are the $20 trillion customer. We hold the leverage.

    Example:

    Canada's biggest steelmaker expects layoffs because of U.S. tariffs https://t.co/H13RUDnP5y pic.twitter.com/6BYOla2EtS

    — Bloomberg (@business) June 26, 2018

    NOTE: “Donnelly said in his opening remarks that there was already a rise in product being diverted to Canada in recent years and signs of even more since the U.S. tariffs began this year.”..

    This is evidence of multinationals exploiting the NAFTA loophole to avoid U.S. tariffs. This fatal flaw is at the very heart of the issue within the U.S. trade policy inside NAFTA. As long as Mexico and Canada remain gateways for foreign good assembly and shipment into the U.S. there will never be a way for the U.S. to demand fair and reciprocal trade.

    Canada knows their decades-long designed economic position as shipment/assembly trade-brokers is the central issue is the heart of the confrontation with USTR Lighthizer, Commerce Secretary Ross and President Trump. As multinational corporations seek to avoid Trump tariffs they only exacerbate the issue.

    If Canada and Mexico don’t try to stop their duplicitous NAFTA benefit scheme, they will end up with even bigger trade surpluses and become even bigger targets for President Trump. In essence, the reason for Canada and Mexico being subject to even more encompassing Trump tariffs’ grows.

    If Canada and Mexico do nothing to stop this influx; Trump will levy more than just steel and aluminum tariffs; he’ll likely tax their auto-sector.

    As a result, Canada is taking steps to reduce the flow of imported steel from China:

    Canada is preparing new measures to prevent a flood of steel imports from China and other producers seeking to avoid U.S. tariffs, sources say https://t.co/jPoiq1Iw7X pic.twitter.com/h7QXgnJEss

    — Bloomberg Canada (@BloombergCA) June 26, 2018

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    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...da-population/
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    with any tarriff .. there's going to be pain until target country decides to negoiate a fair deal for USA.
    incoming .. help for famers!

    YUUUUUUGE: President Trump To Announce Multibillion Stimulus For Farmers – UNDOING OBAMA & CLINTON ERA RURAL AMERICA DESTRUCTION – they've been trying to collect rural America to cities for a very long time for easier governance – BIGLY IMPORTANT FOR CONSERVATIVE REVIVALAMERICA FIRST (zerohedge.com)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...imulus-farmers


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    Yes, give the huge corporate farms a handout...... hurt everyday working americans but just shovel money into the swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Yes, give the huge corporate farms a handout...... hurt everyday working americans but just shovel money into the swamp.
    Just buying the farmers votes, another way to rack up debt, and another way to get the government hands into the free market. (an overstatement, but I think there is some truth there)

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