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    This is disturbing. Apparently Bill & Melinda Gates, as well as the Clinton Foundation are heavily in favor of this:



    "The following country governments, companies and international and organizations have committed to the Better Than Cash Alliance principles and to digitizing payments.

    As we are based at the United Nations, our Alliance is neutral on what types of digital payment platforms or channels are appropriate in each market. We recognize that digital payment solutions will vary across geographies and that, as innovation is a constant in this sector, digital payment options will also change quickly. What matters to us is that the shift from cash to digital payments is done responsibly and builds the foundations for inclusive growth."

    https://www.betterthancash.org/members/page/2
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


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    Mat_15:24 But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    This is disturbing. Apparently Bill & Melinda Gates, as well as the Clinton Foundation are heavily in favor of this:



    "The following country governments, companies and international and organizations have committed to the Better Than Cash Alliance principles and to digitizing payments.

    As we are based at the United Nations, our Alliance is neutral on what types of digital payment platforms or channels are appropriate in each market. We recognize that digital payment solutions will vary across geographies and that, as innovation is a constant in this sector, digital payment options will also change quickly. What matters to us is that the shift from cash to digital payments is done responsibly and builds the foundations for inclusive growth."

    https://www.betterthancash.org/members/page/2
    I am sure TPTB can give a glowing pile of BS to support the idea that forcing folks to do business digitally (rather than cash)... will promote growth...
    When in reality... that is not the goal.

    Why would a computer guy want to get rid of cash...
    To sell more computers and software that do the digital transactions... why else???
    DUH!!!
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    Ponder on it quite possibly leading up to this Ga-:

    Rev 13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;
    Rev 13:17 and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

    Today's Technology, has surpassed the chip called "Digital Angel", if you know anything about it.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


    "You've got to Stand for Something or You'll fall for anything" (A. Tippin)


    Mat_15:24 But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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    A little late to this thread . . .

    As I began reading, I was going to comment on how the youth are the growing problem. Then saw is was pretty much covered. The angle I was going to with is: The youth that is becoming new voters don't know anything except what they have today. They have no reference point. Which means, we will NEVER be able to return to ways that we used to have.

    We are ever 'evolving'. Or de-evolving. Depending which side of the fence you are standing on.

    Here is a very simple example: Medical

    The children of today don't have a clue how good the medical system used to be. All they know is the way the system is today.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBeerme View Post
    A little late to this thread . . .

    As I began reading, I was going to comment on how the youth are the growing problem. Then saw is was pretty much covered. The angle I was going to with is: The youth that is becoming new voters don't know anything except what they have today. They have no reference point. Which means, we will NEVER be able to return to ways that we used to have.

    We are ever 'evolving'. Or de-evolving. Depending which side of the fence you are standing on.

    Here is a very simple example: Medical

    The children of today don't have a clue how good the medical system used to be. All they know is the way the system is today.
    I Agree BBeerme!!

    In My Lifetime, I've seen America's Educational System Dumb Down Our Youth. Matter of fact, after I inherited my Deceased Mother-in Law's Library, ... It Blew My Mind, to see the Books that she used in Grade School & High School, ... The level of Mathematics, Literature, History, Science, etc. was Absolutely Phenomenal!

    Back in the early 20th Century America was indeed the Juggernaut of the World in many ways, & Now, ........ We've become a Rotting Shell of what We Used to Be.

    You are Absolutely Correct about Our Medical System, & because of what Our Leaders have done recently, ..... It is Falling Apart.

    These Two Examples alone, should be Shocking the American People Awake, ..... But instead, in an Orwellian Manner, they accept that "It's All Good!", up till another Intentional Crisis comes about that is designed to Deepen the Control over them. SMH
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


    "You've got to Stand for Something or You'll fall for anything" (A. Tippin)


    Mat_15:24 But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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    But Mesico IS in our back yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, ...

    This is America!

    It'll Never Happen Here! Right?

    By Joshua Partlow and Nick Miroff April 6 at 11:24 PM Email the author

    MEXICO CITY — "The United States government is expanding a program to capture the biometric data of tens of thousands of Central Americans and other migrants arrested in Mexico, gaining unprecedented access to Mexican immigration jails to identify criminals, gang members and potential terrorists long before they reach the border."

    "The information gathered is immediately forwarded to DHS and other U.S. law enforcement and intelligence databases, alerting American officials if an individual in Mexican custody is a convicted criminal or in a category known as “Special Interest Aliens,” which includes potential extremists, according to current and former U.S. officials who described the program on the condition of anonymity because many of its details have not been publicly disclosed."

    "Paid for through the $2.5 billion Merida security assistance program launched by President George W. Bush in 2008, the data-collecting effort requires the kind of U.S. access to Mexican facilities that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. It has been largely kept quiet by Mexican authorities, who risk public backlash over suspicions of American government technology and the perception that Washington interferes in the country’s affairs."

    As long as it "Ain't in our Backyard" Eh?



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    Agreed, but let's not let it make us ignore the power and the reach of corporate America in the process.

    DNA based genealogy for one example. It's all just an interesting amusement, isn't it? Nonetheless . . . . what happens to all the individual DNA profile information being routinely generated and recorded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh B View Post
    I understand and, I am not happy about it. The power and reach of government is dangerous regardless of who is president.
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    BBeerme, .... When I saw the move towards this back in the mid 80s, as well as many other things, ....... I remembered reading about "The Mark" in Revelations, & that gave me a "What th' Hell!?!?!?" Chill down my back kinda/sorta.

    The "Chip" began to be put in to Our Pets, so if we lost them, at first we were told, "they could be Identified",. But as time passed, an improved "Chip", would help us locate them, as well as provide the family pet's medical records.

    The "Chip" also was placed on/in Products so as to expedite the shipping, "track it", monitor temperatures, etc.

    Then, ...The World's Leaders, The U.N., The Catholic Church, Media Shock Jock Commentators, all jointly began talking about the "Need", & "Benefits" of this "Chip", where it could replace cash, provide medical data, even track people,....

    And here We, America & the World are Today, .... With Ever growing Police State Powers being assumed by many Governments, including America, as well as a Major Economic Crash on Our Horizon.

    I Firmly Believe that many Biblical Prophesies are coming about, in Our Lifetime, & this "Chip"/ "Mark" is only One of them.
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


    "You've got to Stand for Something or You'll fall for anything" (A. Tippin)


    Mat_15:24 But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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    Yes; Lenin himself said exactly that: "Clearly; Capitalism has to proceed Socialism - otherwise there would be nothing to socialize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by biodieselman View Post
    Ummmm....

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    I don't know about biblical prophesies, seems that has been said since long before I was born. But I am definitely concerned about the government over reach, especially through the use of technology and data mining.

    On a bit of a tangent, have you heard about the device to turn your thoughts into words? I think I heard that those words can then be used to do a Google search. Not sure if they figured out how to put the search results back into your head.

    But that is some super scary stuff; they're now able to read your thoughts through technology. Think about that for a bit.


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    BBeerme, .... When I saw the move towards this back in the mid 80s, as well as many other things, ....... I remembered reading about "The Mark" in Revelations, & that gave me a "What th' Hell!?!?!?" Chill down my back kinda/sorta.

    The "Chip" began to be put in to Our Pets, so if we lost them, at first we were told, "they could be Identified",. But as time passed, an improved "Chip", would help us locate them, as well as provide the family pet's medical records.

    The "Chip" also was placed on/in Products so as to expedite the shipping, "track it", monitor temperatures, etc.

    Then, ...The World's Leaders, The U.N., The Catholic Church, Media Shock Jock Commentators, all jointly began talking about the "Need", & "Benefits" of this "Chip", where it could replace cash, provide medical data, even track people,....

    And here We, America & the World are Today, .... With Ever growing Police State Powers being assumed by many Governments, including America, as well as a Major Economic Crash on Our Horizon.

    I Firmly Believe that many Biblical Prophesies are coming about, in Our Lifetime, & this "Chip"/ "Mark" is only One of them.
    If you were a real tech, you'd solder a relay on that board and call it good to go.

    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    Yeah, I've heard that quote before. More of something to ponder on.


    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Yes; Lenin himself said exactly that: "Clearly; Capitalism has to proceed Socialism - otherwise there would be nothing to socialize."

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    I do a triple evac with nitro to remove non condensables.

    I use 56% silver on everything except steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    Agreed, but let's not let it make us ignore the power and the reach of corporate America in the process.

    DNA based genealogy for one example. It's all just an interesting amusement, isn't it? Nonetheless . . . . what happens to all the individual DNA profile information being routinely generated and recorded?

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    That Data, apparently like the Data of Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc., .... apparently ended up in the hands of the Dark & Foreboding "Third Party".
    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.


    "You've got to Stand for Something or You'll fall for anything" (A. Tippin)


    Mat_15:24 But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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