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    I grew up in Northern New Jersey.I was 20 years old, with 2 years of tech school.i had a non union job.I tried to get in the Union for 3 years.i just gave up.I didn't have the right connections, or a relative already in.That was the way it worked.I moved to Atlanta,Ga. in 1985.Worked non union.Tried to get in the union here,No luck.I worked for a union company for 2 years, but they kept me from taking the journeymen tests they didn't have to pay me journeyman scale.I left there because I was doing the same work as other guys with a card, for less money.I got tired of trying to get in.Now I have been working for myself for 20 years.I know a lot of good union guys, most of them already HAD FAMILY IN THE UNION.DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS ALL AROUND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY,BUT THAT WAS NORTHERN NEW JERSEY.Atlanta was pretty much the same.

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    True,I'm from NewJersey.I never got in.I didn't have the right connections!!!Tell the guy to marry into it.As for me.It no longer matters.I work for myself now!!!!

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    The days of Closed shops are over, by federal mandate and just the fact that No young people are applying for the positions.

    I got into the fitters union in 1978 by applying to a contractor, got a job with a contractor on my qualifications and in 90 days I was in the UA local 638B. Went thru the apprenticeship program, Paid my dues, did as I was told, showed up at the meetings, charity events etc. 1990 got a different gig in Madison Sq Garden. Froze my 638B book and joined Local#30 IUOE.

    2 Union Jobs without any family sponsorship. Just qualafications!

    ALL Unions in NYC are accepting applications for there apprenticeship programs ………….few young people are applying.

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    Got a problem with it call the federal government

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecmsg View Post
    The days of Closed shops are over, by federal mandate and just the fact that No young people are applying for the positions.

    I got into the fitters union in 1978 by applying to a contractor, got a job with a contractor on my qualifications and in 90 days I was in the UA local 638B. Went thru the apprenticeship program, Paid my dues, did as I was told, showed up at the meetings, charity events etc. 1990 got a different gig in Madison Sq Garden. Froze my 638B book and joined Local#30 IUOE.

    2 Union Jobs without any family sponsorship. Just qualafications!

    ALL Unions in NYC are accepting applications for there apprenticeship programs ………….few young people are applying.

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    Got a problem with it call the federal government
    I know this thread is old but I want to understand something. The OP said he had been a journeyman for 15yrs and your response was something about "putting in time and paying dues." To an outsider like myself, it seems strange that a journeyman with 15yrs experience is being told this. Could you explain further what you meant? How much time is enough? Just how long do you have to "pay dues?" I know the latter part is not about money, rather a phrase to mean gaining experience.

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    Like the underwear.

    Depends.

    It depends on which halls, and when. What happened in 1978 means nothing today. I have been a member of three unions.

    Phila UA will not let you in unless you come through their apprenticeship program or your company gets organized.

    That's it.

    Every hall is an island, either smart, reasonable guys who want to make the trade better and their members thrive...or a group of stunods who think they have a right to be disagreeable children.

    That's the fact, Jack!
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    You are one of the few I know who got in the Union without knowing someone.Right place at the right time!!!maybe it is different now.it does not matter any longer for me.I'm happily self employed now.No political games .I no longer work on big industrial equipment ,Im happy just to work on refrigeration and commercial A/c ,a little bit of residential.

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    This sadly happens all over the country, R-T-W or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianOmarPerez View Post
    This sadly happens all over the country, R-T-W or not.

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    Maybe I should know what RTW means...can you tell me?
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    Pretty sure that means “right to work.”


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    R ight
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Like the underwear.

    Depends.

    It depends on which halls, and when. What happened in 1978 means nothing today. I have been a member of three unions.

    Phila UA will not let you in unless you come through their apprenticeship program or your company gets organized.

    That's it.

    Every hall is an island, either smart, reasonable guys who want to make the trade better and their members thrive...or a group of stunods who think they have a right to be disagreeable children.

    That's the fact, Jack!
    So even an experienced journeyman would have to go through an apprenticeship if he changed unions? Seems a huge waste of time to me but I understand that each hall makes its own rules and decisions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender60 View Post
    I know this thread is old but I want to understand something. The OP said he had been a journeyman for 15yrs and your response was something about "putting in time and paying dues." To an outsider like myself, it seems strange that a journeyman with 15yrs experience is being told this. Could you explain further what you meant? How much time is enough? Just how long do you have to "pay dues?" I know the latter part is not about money, rather a phrase to mean gaining experience.
    Ive seen new hires ***** and complain I cant work that shift or I don't do this or that. Seniority Counts. I put my time in, worked the split shifts, handed the leftovers for vacation time now you have to.

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    I'm guessing RTW means "Right To Work" Such as Right To work State!! Most States in The Northeast including NewYork are not a Right To Work state.If I'm correct ,this means you may have to join a union and pay dues to work there.If you work for a union company.I don't know all the laws about this.as I never was required to join a union, or worked in the union.

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