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    Mcveigh used a 22 foot straight truck packed with diesel soaked ammonium nitrate

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    Was Timmy McVeigh a..... patriot ???

    Many would say... “Why yes, yes he was”

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    Based on that logic, maybe people don't care that a bunch of hispanics were killed in El Paso. Or the club shooting in FL a couple years ago where the homo's were targeted.
    Comparing inter-gang violence to a targeted slaying of the innocent is ridiculous.

    It is you that brought up race and sexual orientation. Want to tell us what race has the most value? Hmmm, let me guess for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Comparing inter-gang violence to a targeted slaying of the innocent is ridiculous.

    It is you that brought up race and sexual orientation. Want to tell us what race has the most value? Hmmm, let me guess for you.
    You brought up race. Don't play innocent that the "gang members" aren't black. There are innocent people killed every weekend in Chicago. It's unfortunate that they are considered collateral damage by our politicians. A human life is a human life. Apparently you value black gang bangers lives of less importance than that of a hispanic shopper at walmart or some white kids out clubbing in Ohio or homo's in FL. Your words, not mine
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    Among the recently departed inner city St. Louis shooting victims were eleven children (different incidents), a seven year old just the other day. You don't get much more innocent.

    In your haste to counter a valid but opposing point, CG; you overlooked the obvious. I see your intention, but the original point is far greater and looming: In an extremely large urban population center, democratically and liberally controlled for decades, with some of the most stringent gun control laws; you have the absolute worst gun violence. A mass shooting nearly every weekend. With plenty of innocent victims.

    I'll take my chances at a coffee shop any day.
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    They argued that, as the Religious Right became increasingly visible and militant, it became associated with Christianity itself. And if being a Christian meant being associated with the likes of Jerry Falwell, many people—especially political moderates and liberals—decided to simply stop identifying as Christians altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    You brought up race. Don't play innocent that the "gang members" aren't black. There are innocent people killed every weekend in Chicago. It's unfortunate that they are considered collateral damage by our politicians. A human life is a human life. Apparently you value black gang bangers lives of less importance than that of a hispanic shopper at walmart or some white kids out clubbing in Ohio or homo's in FL. Your words, not mine
    Absolutely not! A human life is not a human life.

    Sorry, I'm just not that politically correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Absolutely not! A human life is not a human life.

    Sorry, I'm just not that politically correct?
    Really, so who gets to judge which life is worthy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    Absolutely not! A human life is not a human life.

    Sorry, I'm just not that politically correct?
    I'm not defending the actions of any murderer and being pc has zero to do with this conversation. A life is a life. Could you kill someone and live with yourself afterward? I'd like to think I could, but who knows? If I or my family were attacked, and I killed someone in self defense, I'm pretty sure it would eat at me for the rest of my life. I have multiple friends that served and took human lives. You better believe that shit still haunts them. I carry concealed and every day I hope I don't have to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BNME8EZ View Post
    Really, so who gets to judge which life is worthy?
    You do, I do, and just about anyone can because we discern for ourselves which life has more value than the next. We have free will and we decide.

    For me, a POS gang member who does nothing but do harm to his community by shooting people, mugging people, stealing, selling drugs for a living, who talks about others in his gang who shoot people...basically 'living by the sword,' does not get my sympathy when he 'dies by the sword.'

    So no! An innocent schoolgirl's life has more value to me than a POS gang member when he is shot on the street by another gang member...as is going on in Chicago.

    So you go on ahead and claim that every life should garner the same sympathy. Oh, here you are going to say that I put words in your mouth. But to me, saying all life has the same value is to say we should morn the same...and I don't...and I highly you do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    I'm not defending the actions of any murderer and being pc has zero to do with this conversation. A life is a life. Could you kill someone and live with yourself afterward? I'd like to think I could, but who knows? If I or my family were attacked, and I killed someone in self defense, I'm pretty sure it would eat at me for the rest of my life. I have multiple friends that served and took human lives. You better believe that shit still haunts them. I carry concealed and every day I hope I don't have to use it.
    As I said, no it isn't.

    But I am not PC as you seem to be.

    Oh, God might feel that a "life is a life," but IMO He loves Adolf Hitler as much as he loves me. We could only aspire to have such unconditional love for all humans. But it just ain't so unless you are pretending to be PC.

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    And fond greetings to you sir. I hope you and your family are well and prospering.

    But you seem to be a victim of your times. Our times. Well; and of your basic psychological make-up. There seems to be a lot at work here - and I mean: with you. <g> And I have been puzzling over it for a good while now.

    It is an oddity of humans that they are loss averse - they react more against the possibility of losing something than they do toward the possibility of gaining something. Actually that's wrong - it's not an 'oddity': it actually makes perfect biological sense that they have evolved (or were created <g>) that way. What I meant was that it creates a subsequent oddity.

    And that oddity is being ever increasingly exploited by our present day media. And for good reason (from their perspective) - historic media delivery systems / businesses are being attacked on all sides by new forms of information dissemination. There are various versions of course, but let's sum it by saying: the internet. The traditional media businesses are fighting a losing battle for their business lives and desperate times very often generate desperate measures. Which is exactly why we presently have primarily mere sensationalism from all our 'news' vendors. News is no longer reported - it is exploited for specific purpose.

    For example; statistically we are safer now from violent crime than we have been in maybe the last fifty years. But without the direct researching of that fact, which the public in general clearly never does, the news media freely creates the ever expanding and embellished illusion that death and violent criminal mayhem are everywhere around us.

    That is simply not true - but I think you would find it to be a commonly held opinion these days. Why? Because every incident is portrayed and publicized and ranted about and then endlessly dissected by talking-head-show people. Who all opinion-ate to suit their own agendas. None of which ever seem to be that of correctly informing the public without bias. And then every perpetually ineffectual politician takes up the ranting banner - to exploit for his/her own purpose. Which further stirs and incites the 'we are all going to hell!!!' fervor.

    With the cumulative net effect that people in general are seemingly in an ever increasing negative frenzy over things which are not actually threatening to them. As many of your postings seem to indicate that you are. <g>

    Read your first paragraph below. <g>

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDeBord View Post
    Greetings Ya'll,

    Do You want the Senseless, Demonic, & Unjustified Shootings in Our Homes, on Our Streets, in Our Schools, At Our Businesses, ... matter of fact, practically everywhere in America to Stop????????

    After all, .... We as a Nation, weren't always like this.

    Back in the 1960s, when I was a Student at the Lakota School District, Butler County, Ohio, ..... We had Gun Clubs, & Rocket Clubs.

    It was Not Abnormal, nor did it cause Panic, or a "Lock Down" to arrive at School, with a Rifle, or Pistol, for "Show & Tell", at the Gun Club.

    It was Not Abnormal, nor did it cause Panic, or a "Lock Down" to arrive at School with a Rifle &/or a Shotgun mounted in the gun rack, hanging at the back window, of a pick up truck, in the Student Parking lot.

    We didn't have children, that were Heavily Medicated due to some "Alleged Mental Illness", that in the later Years has made HUGE Profits for Big Pharma. No Sir.
    Back then, when a Student got out of control, by exhibiting "Unacceptable Behavior", .... That unfortunate Student got his/her Ass busted with a paddle, either by the Teacher, or by the Principle, & many a time, got it busted again, by their parents at home.

    This method of giving an "Attitude Adjustment", in the majority of cases worked Miracles, that Modern Medicine has yet to match.

    The Majority of those who received an "Attitude Adjustment", quickly realized the "Error of their Foolish Ways", & conformed to the mIndset of why they were in School, ...... Learning the Three Rs, & how to become a Productive, Knowledgeable American Citizen, that would have the background of knowledge that would help them obtain The American Dream.

    But, ... the removal of "Attitude Adjustments", isn't what has brought America to it's widespread Moral & Physical Failure as a Nation.No Sir!

    What has caused the Vast Majority of America's Problems, including Students killing Students, & all of the other many Unjustified Killings is, ......

    We have Kicked GOD Almighty out of Our Schools, Businesses, Governments (Local & Federal), Our Media, & Our Homes, & that started with the Federal Removal of Prayer from Our Public Schooling System, back in the 1960s.

    And for those who start screaming "Separation of Church & State!", .....Well, "in a nutshell", ... You either are suffering from Revisionist Common Core Knowledge, or You are Severely Constipated so badly that a Hazmat unit needs to care for you, ... Or Both.

    Many, many, many, Historical Documents, as well as Monuments, & Artifacts, Easily Prove, that at least from the early 1960s, clear back to when America was the New Home of the Pilgrims, ... The Almighty LORD GOD of Israel, was Absolutely, a very important part of America.
    The Way of The Almighty LORD GOD, was Freely Spoken of, Referred to, & Taught in Our Public Schools, with His Ten Commandments Covenant posted on the wall , at the front, of many a Classroom.

    That Way of Life, that Virtuous Mindset,was a "Guidepost" as to how an American should live, ... It was Far from Perfect, But Dammit, .. It Made America GREAT!!!

    America, at One Time, was the Most Blessed, Most Powerful, Most Moral, "Juggernaut" of Nations, upon this Planet, but now, ....... And this Tears at My Heart,... We have become a Pus covered, Rotting at the Core, Impotent, Falling apart, Shell of what We used to be. In Fact, .... We are so Bad off, that "Change You Can Believe In!", & "Make America Great Again!", caused multiple Millions to Foolishly Vote for their "Political Messiah". SMH

    So, .... Do You Truly Want To Stop the Senseless,Satanically Inspired Shootings?

    Then instead of accepting the endless laws of Man, that in all truth, haven't really stopped the Evil in Man's Hearts & Minds, .... Demand from our Treasonous & GODLESS , so called "Leaders", that they Immediately Return America to what it Once Was.

    IF, ... This doesn't Quickly Happen, in My Belief,.... America in an Ever Intensifying Fashion , is going to Reap the Curses of Deuteronomy 28:, (The Birth Pains), as well as Suffer the Last Days Prophecies.

    Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together.
    Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
    Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
    Mat 22:40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

    And yet, .....I'm certain, that the Mushroom like Sheeple of America, in a very Orwellian Fashion, will not Seek what worked in Our Past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    You do, I do, and just about anyone can because we discern for ourselves which life has more value than the next. We have free will and we decide.

    For me, a POS gang member who does nothing but do harm to his community by shooting people, mugging people, stealing, selling drugs for a living, who talks about others in his gang who shoot people...basically 'living by the sword,' does not get my sympathy when he 'dies by the sword.'

    So no! An innocent schoolgirl's life has more value to me than a POS gang member when he is shot on the street by another gang member...as is going on in Chicago.

    So you go on ahead and claim that every life should garner the same sympathy. Oh, here you are going to say that I put words in your mouth. But to me, saying all life has the same value is to say we should morn the same...and I don't...and I highly you do either.
    No, here is where I say that is a highly hypocritical point of view considering your stance in the other thread(s), which I will not mention by name for fear of this one being hijacked.

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    Here is a fact most don't want to admit, or are too stupid. And btw, I once lived in Chicago in an area most whites would even been seen, so I know well what happened there, and I finally left, and I still have an older sister there.

    The problem occurred when the citizen were banned to have self defense weapons. criminals love this, they don't care about the laws lol.

    Its screwed up period, until the people wake and demand their rights, government is going to do what benefits them, and hell with us. How do I know this. I once lived in a country who controlled all, and the Germans claimed they were so smart.

    The same fools we have here today. It is what it is, we are either going to wake up, or end in a socialist hell hole.

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