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    Sooty,
    Are you saying there is absolutely no tariff on anything imported from or that passes through Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAYNE3298 View Post
    Sooty,
    Are you saying there is absolutely no tariff on anything imported from or that passes through Canada?
    Canada is part of NAFTA so anything not exempt from NAFTA produced in Canada is tariff free but goods from China destined for the U.S are subject to whatever fee or tariff the U.S imposes. Trump is looking at the total flow of goods from Canada and saying there is a huge deficit when in fact not all of those goods are Canadian products and there is a modest trade surplus with Canada if you count only things made in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj001 View Post
    IP, meaning internet providers? I really wasn't being a smart azz, I figured it out,,, but look at all the different things "IP" can mean: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/IP
    Yes of course, be when it comes to import export and manufacturing IP is the only one it can be. And intellectual property is a well known, if not the most well known "IP."

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    I am not sure everything crossing the northern border is duty/tariff free...
    Need to check another forum and ask...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidada vis View Post
    Yes of course, be when it comes to import export and manufacturing IP is the only one it can be. And intellectual property is a well known, if not the most well known "IP."
    not that I think any of this is your fault/responsibility that said:
    once it's stolen, there's little that can be done, sure they can sue and win an award but how does someone go about collecting a judgement from a US court in foreign country such as china, for instance this is one example of how hard to impossible it can be: https://www.chinalawblog.com/2010/08...e_company.html
    if corny was a part on a washing machine,,, he'd be the agitator

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidadavis View Post
    Yes of course, be when it comes to import export and manufacturing IP is the only one it can be. And intellectual property is a well known, if not the most well known "IP."
    As an IT nerd, IP is mostly known as an addressing scheme or as an Internet Provider. One must consider the audience when using acronyms. YKWIM? IKR. DTOM! haha


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    Quote Originally Posted by rcstl View Post
    As an IT nerd, IP is mostly known as an addressing scheme or as an Internet Provider. One must consider the audience when using acronyms. YKWIM? IKR. DTOM! haha
    That IP was the most most widely known

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj001 View Post
    once it's stolen, there's little that can be done, sure they can sue and win an award but how does someone go about collecting a judgement from a US court in foreign country such as china, for instance this is one example of how hard to impossible it can be: https://www.chinalawblog.com/2010/08...e_company.html
    Part of it falls on companies protecting their own IP rights in the first place, rather than focusing on short term gains. I have heard of several stories where a well known company opens a factory in China, then they start seeing exact duplicates showing up on the market, and after some digging they find that the Chinese business/government official they signed the deal with, literally copied the factory in a different part of the city, brick for brick, wire for wire. Often, they even bus the same employees the western firm trained after their "first shift" over to the duplicate plant to do their "second shift."

    There are many things to blame, but I blame the "this quarter" "this month" focus of corporate America, rather than having a focus on the long term health of the country.

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    Some thing I am sure many are aware of:

    If you find a product in China and start selling it on Amazon...
    As soon as you develop a good market for the product... Amazon is gonna go to the very folks who make yours, cut a deal, and take the market away from you.

    As noted in the previous post... when the only goal is the next month or next quarter...
    Everyone looses in the larger picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidadavis View Post
    Part of it falls on companies protecting their own IP rights in the first place, rather than focusing on short term gains. I have heard of several stories where a well known company opens a factory in China, then they start seeing exact duplicates showing up on the market, and after some digging they find that the Chinese business/government official they signed the deal with, literally copied the factory in a different part of the city, brick for brick, wire for wire. Often, they even bus the same employees the western firm trained after their "first shift" over to the duplicate plant to do their "second shift."

    There are many things to blame, but I blame the "this quarter" "this month" focus of corporate America, rather than having a focus on the long term health of the country.
    so in other words, don't manufacture things in china to start with
    if corny was a part on a washing machine,,, he'd be the agitator

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj001 View Post
    so in other words, don't manufacture things in china to start with
    I would say more so, don't manufacture anything with significant IP value, and for what is worth manufacturing there, realize that you have to play by CN rules and protect your blueprints plans etc.

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    Sooty,
    Please explain the tariffs of up to 313% on dairy products shipped to Canada. That is part of the Canadian government's protection of their farmers. That makes the meager tariff Trump is proposing on al and steel miniscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAYNE3298 View Post
    Sooty,
    Please explain the tariffs of up to 313% on dairy products shipped to Canada. That is part of the Canadian government's protection of their farmers. That makes the meager tariff Trump is proposing on al and steel miniscule.
    Canadian dairy is essentially a huge co-op and the supply and production is controlled. This way farmers get a fair price for their production and the market doesn't get swamped with over supply and tank the price like has happened in the U.S and Australia. The Canadian dairy sector was also exempt from NAFTA unlike steel and besides the U.S still has a dairy trade surplus with Canada anyway. This steel thing is just Trump trying to get Canada and Mexico to cave on his terrible new NAFTA deal it has nothing to do with national security concerns unless you think Canada is going to suddenly cut the U.S off from steel.

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